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===Blending (and Dumping)===
[[Blending]] is a fundamental part of traditional spontaneous beer production (and typically of wood aged sour beer production in general). In barrel aged mixed fermentation beer, and especially spontaneously fermented beer, there is a high potential for variability in different barrels/fermentation vessels, even those resulting from the same hot side process. To help create a more balanced and complex product, producers of sour beers often blend barrels (of both the same and of different vintages) together into one final product. The homebrewer can employ the same techniques and blend to reach the desired final product from beers of different vintages and different carboys/vessels of the same brew. See the [[blending]] page for more information on this topic.
Frequently a non-trivial amount of beer is dumped at spontaneous beer breweries <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUa0QH6niiQ Sour Beer Panel at the Firestone Walker International Beer Fest]</ref> (~8.5 min in). The exact amount depends on the conditions of the brewery and the willingness of the brewer to try to blend in batches that might not taste as good and/or have mild off flavors at the expense of the overall quality of the blend, but commercial brewers have reported dumping levels of 5% (and possibly up to 15%) of total production <ref name="Beer Temple interview with De Garde">[https://vimeo.com/127084279 The Beer Temple Interviews #264 with Trevor Rogers of De Garde]</ref> (~13 minutes in). This may be due to an imbalance in the microbes <ref name="Beer Temple interview with De Garde"></ref> (~14 minutes in) or a bad barrel resulting in off woody flavor <ref name="Spontaneous Sour Hour" /> (~1:31 in) or excessive O2 exposure. In addition to the beer inside such barrels being dumped, the barrel itself is also often discarded <ref name="Beer Temple interview with De Garde"></ref> (~14 minutes in). Homebrewers who are fermenting spontaneously may expect that from time to time they will need to dump a batch.
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American brewers who use coolships for spontaneous fermentation have reported that the success rate for spontaneously fermented beer is around 90-80%. Brewers will often dump undrinkable beers from individual barrels or even beers from barrels that don't meet the expectations of the brewers <ref name="howat_comeandbrewit" />.
===Microbial Succession During Fermentation===
** [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2570617069633158/?comment_id=2570641549630710&reply_comment_id=2570664762961722&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R8%22%7D Follow up from Dr. Heit on MTF on "allergic-like" reactions to biogenic amines.]
===Notes on the Source of Microbes===
The sources of microbes that influence spontaneous fermentation are somewhat debatable, especially when referencing [[Lambic]] producers in Belgium. Although the coolship step is regarded as the main contributor to the microbial inoculation for spontaneous beers, it is often claimed that ''Brettanomyces'' living in the barrels is at least partially responsible for the secondary fermentation of spontaneous beers. De Roos et al. (2018) used amplicon sequencing technology (which is better at detected so-called "[[Quality_Assurance#Viable_But_Nonculturable|viable but not culturable]]" cells) to samples the interior of barrels and foeders used in one lambic brewery that uses high-pressurized hot water and sulfur dioxide to clean them, and found surviving colonies of ''Brettanomyces anomalus'', ''B. bruxellensis'', ''B. custersianus'', ''Pediococcus'', and to a lesser extent ''Acetobacter'' and ''Lactobacillus''. The ''Acetobacter'' might be linked to older barrels that are more porous. ''Pichia'', ''Debaryomyces hansenii'' and ''Candida'' were also found in abundance in some barrels, but not others. They also found high levels of ''Cellulosimicrobium'' and ''Acinetobacter'', which have not been found to be important for lambic fermentation; the authors suspected that these were living in the wood rather than in the beer since they can metabolize cellulose. Although they are probably also not important to the fermentation of lambic, molds were found in the more porous barrels before cleaning, including ''Aspergillus'' and ''Penicillium''. No molds survived the sulfuring process and the diversity of microbes was far higher in barrels than it was for foeders, perhaps because of the higher level of oxygen exposure in barrels compared to foeders, although foeders had a much higher than expected amount of surviving ''Saccharomyces'' and ''Pichia'' <ref>[https://aem.asm.org/content/early/2018/10/15/AEM.02226-18 The interior surfaces of wooden barrels are an additional microbial inoculation source for lambic beer production. J. De Roos, D. Van der Veken, L. De Vuyst. 2018. DOI: 10.1128/AEM.02226-18.]</ref>.
It is worth noting that it appears to be possible for spontaneous fermentations to not harbor lactic acid bacteria or ''Brettanomyces''. For example, Andy Mitchell from New Belgium Brewing had a homebrewed spontaneous fermentation analyzed by New Belgium's lab after a year of age, and they only found ''Saccharomyces cerevisiae'' var ''diastaticus'' living in the beer and no lactic acid bacteria or ''Brettanomyces'' (this could have come from the barrel from previous inoculations; however, the barrel was stored for 1.5 years prior to this with water, potassium metabisulfite, and citric acid). Andy reported that the beer was also not sour and did not have any ''Brettanomyces'' character <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1879283728766499/ Andy Mitchell. Milk The Funk thread regarding homebrewed batch of spontaneously fermented beer with no ''Brettanomyces'' or LAB. 11/10/2017.]</ref>.
===Blending (and Dumping)===
[[Blending]] is a fundamental part of traditional spontaneous beer production (and typically of wood aged sour beer production in general). In barrel aged mixed fermentation beer, and especially spontaneously fermented beer, there is a high potential for variability in different barrels/fermentation vessels, even those resulting from the same hot side process. To help create a more balanced and complex product, producers of sour beers often blend barrels (of both the same and of different vintages) together into one final product. The homebrewer can employ the same techniques and blend to reach the desired final product from beers of different vintages and different carboys/vessels of the same brew. See the [[blending]] page for more information on this topic.
Frequently a non-trivial amount of beer is dumped at spontaneous beer breweries <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUa0QH6niiQ Sour Beer Panel at the Firestone Walker International Beer Fest]</ref> (~8.5 min in). The exact amount depends on the conditions of the brewery and the willingness of the brewer to try to blend in batches that might not taste as good and/or have mild off flavors at the expense of the overall quality of the blend, but commercial brewers have reported dumping levels of 5% (and possibly up to 15%) of total production <ref name="Beer Temple interview with De Garde">[https://vimeo.com/127084279 The Beer Temple Interviews #264 with Trevor Rogers of De Garde]</ref> (~13 minutes in). This may be due to an imbalance in the microbes <ref name="Beer Temple interview with De Garde"></ref> (~14 minutes in) or a bad barrel resulting in off woody flavor <ref name="Spontaneous Sour Hour" /> (~1:31 in) or excessive O2 exposure. In addition to the beer inside such barrels being dumped, the barrel itself is also often discarded <ref name="Beer Temple interview with De Garde"></ref> (~14 minutes in). Homebrewers who are fermenting spontaneously may expect that from time to time they will need to dump a batch.
==Alternative Applications of Spontaneous Fermentation==