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Max Maximum cell densities of ''Pedio '' and ''Lacto '' are around 50-80 million cells/mL. Since they tend to have high nutrient demands, this number varies based on the conditions of the propogation <ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/Homebrewing/comments/3qp7b7/advanced_brewers_round_table_neva_parker_white/cwh7iqq Neva Parker, Reddit thread. 10/29/2015.]</ref>.
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One study showed that optimal growth was observed in [http://www.neogen.com/Acumedia/pdf/ProdInfo/7406_PI.pdf MRS media] with an initial pH of 6.7, and allowed to ferment down to a pH of 4.14 naturally from fermentation. The addition of bacteriological peptone, MnSO4, and Tween 80 also increased activity <ref>[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11851822 Nel HA, Bauer R, Vandamme EJ, Dicks LM. Growth optimization of Pediococcus damnosus NCFB 1832 and the influence of pH and nutrients on the production of pediocin PD-1. Department of Microbiology, University of Stellenbosch, Stellenbosch, South Africa. Dec 2001.]</ref>.
==="Ropy" or "Sick" Beer===