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Some producers use the term maceration to describe the addition of fruit or herbs to a beer. Maceration in beer is the extraction of flavor-active and colored compounds as well as other constituents of fruits and herbs by soaking them in the beer. The rate at which compounds are extracted during maceration depends on factors such as temperature and pH.

For commercial brewers in the US, any ingredient not on the [https://www.ttb.gov/beer/exempt-ingre.shtml TTB exempt] lists needs to be approved by the TTB regardless of where the beer is sold. When seeking approval, it is helpful to show previous use and scientific articles supporting the safety of consumption of the ingredient being used. For example, if the item is on the [https://www.fda.gov/food/ingredientspackaginglabeling/gras/ucm083022.htm FDA GRAS] list(or potentially FDA approved [https://www.cfsanappsexternal.fda.gov/scripts/fdcc/?cat=FoodIngredientsPackaging&type=basic&search= Food Ingredient and Packaging Inventories]; see also advice from [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/posts/4889765437718298/?comment_id=4889893777705464&reply_comment_id=4889906237704218 Andrew Zinn]), then providing this information to the TTB or possibly having the FDA GRAS department work with the TTB for approval can help. See also [https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=bd3ebd8d0f96086d22829fda14923623&rgn=div5&view=text&node=27:1.0.1.1.20&idno=27#sg27.1.25_153.sg4 ''Formulas for fermented products'' on GPO.gov].

For commercial brewers, having a screen of some sort at the bottom of the vessel is beneficial for helping to separate the fruit material from the beer after the aging. For example, [http://funkfactorybrewing.blogspot.com/2016/09/modifying-barrel.html Funk Factory Geuzeria] built a tap and stainless screen for aging sour beer on fruit in an oak barrel. Some brewers also use [[IBC_Tote|IBC Totes]] for aging beer on fruit. Puree or juice can easily be added directly to an oak barrel, but there must be enough room for the fruit and the re-fermentation.

Fruit displacement isn't a huge concern; 10 pounds of fruit generally requires an extra gallon of headspace (the exact volume depends on the volume of the fruit <ref name="fruit_displacement_wikipedia">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_(fluid) Displacement (fluid). Wikipedia. Retrieved 05/05/2016.]</ref>). However, the fruit will usually re-ferment, causing a blow -off, so allowing for extra headspace is a good idea. [http://www.aqua-calc.com/calculate/food-volume-to-weight This site] might assist with calculating the displacement volume of fruit.

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* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2453884344639765/ MTF thread on Speidel's Variable Capacity tank BO.] Winemaking equipment vendors such as GW Kent also [https://www.gwkent.com/variable-capacity-econo-tank.html sells variable capacity tanks].* [https://www.instagram.com/p/CE56_F7l1bd/ Altbrau Instagram post on using plastic Speidal fermenters for fruit refermentation.]

===Refermentation===

Whenever fruit is added to a beer that hasn't been pasteurized, a re-fermentation will occur because new sugars from the fruit are introduced to the microbes that are still alive in the beer. This re-fermentation can take some time to being, and some time to finish, depending on the beer. In general, the fruit should be allowed to finish fermenting before packaging. An alternative method is to ferment the fruit more quickly in a separate fermentation tank with ''S. cerevisiae'' and then blend the fermented fruit into the beer; see [[Soured_Fruit_Beer#Other_Alternative_Processing_and_Fermentation_Methods|Other Alternative Processing and Fermentation Methods]] for more information. For information about packaging beer with unfermented fruit/puree/juice, see [[Unfermented Fruit Beer]].

Regular beers and kettle sour beers often contain living ''S cerevisiae'' as long as they are not aged for too long (less than a month). [[Mixed Fermentation]] sour beers where ''Brettanomyces'' was pitched will most likely still contain living ''Brettanomyces'' cells even after a year or two of aging. In the case of ''Brettanomyces'', only a small population of surviving cells is enough to kick off a re-fermentation. For beers that have aged for a very long time in very sour conditions, fresh ''Brettanomyces'' or wine yeast can be pitched to ensure re-fermentation of the fruit.

===Changes To Alcohol Content===

~~Most~~ Unless very large amounts are added, most fruit does not greatly change the overall alcohol content of the beer that it is added to since most fruit with a high water content is within the 1.045-1.060 starting gravity range, or lower <ref>[http://www.brsquared.org/wine/CalcInfo/FruitDat.htm Ben Rotter. "Fruit Data: Yield, Sugar, Acidity, Tannin". Improved Winemaking website. 2011. Retrieved 03/16/2018.]</ref>. Wine grapes are a notable exception to this, which have high starting gravities that produce 10-15% ABV wines. When adding fruit with average gravities to beer and allowing it to re-ferment, small changes to the ABV can occur based on the amount and type of the fruit, the format of the fruit, and the ABV of the beer. For example, if a fruit puree that has a typical gravity of around 1.045 is added to a 10% ABV beer, the more puree that is added then the more it will dilute the total ABV of the beer. Fruit concentrates and dried fruit may add more alcohol than when added in juice/whole fruit format because the water content of the fruit has been removed, although lower dosages of concentrate/dried fruit might result in only small or insignificant ABV increases. The gravity of whole fruit or juice can be fairly easily determined by using a refractometer. [http://sourbeerblog.com/a-guide-to-blending-sour-beer-with-fruit/ Matt Miller of Sour Beer Blog] provides a calculator that can help predict alcohol changes based on the gravity and quantity of the fruit (and beer), and [https://www.themadfermentationist.com/2010/10/adding-fruit-to-beer-increases-alcohol.html Michael Tonsmeire of The Mad Fermentationist] provides a calculation as well.

See also:

Fruit is available to the brewer in multiple different forms.

* '''Whole or sliced fresh''' - Use a CO2-purged keg or minimize headspace in a carboy. Mold and acetic acid bacteria can grow on the skins of floating fruit <ref name="kohlmorgen"></ref>. ''Brettanomyces'' can also produce acetic acid in the presence of O2, and it is possible that this is the source of acetic acid sometimes found in beers with floating fruit rather than acetic acid bacteria. Some brewers like to swirl the fermenter every few days or to keep the alcohol in contact with the fruit, though some others report no ill effects from not swirling the fermenter (and this is impractical in commercial settings). If using a barrel or larger fermenter, you may try using a punch-down technique. If punching down the fruit, purge the headspace of the vessel with CO2 to avoid oxygen exposure to the beer. Allow the fruit to get fully or possibly even over-ripe (not rotten) for best flavor. Whole fruit may take longer to ferment but it also can give the most complexity <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1123884634306416/?comment_id=1123893237638889&offset=0&total_comments=9&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R0%22%7D Thoughts from Raf Soef on using whole fruit in a MTF thread]</ref>

* '''Whole or sliced frozen''' - Bulk freezing fruit has a few main potential benefits. First, freezing fruit helps to break down cell walls, which may make the fruit easier to access for yeast and bacteria in the beer <ref>[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23670237 "Effects of freezing and thawing on texture, microstructure and cell wall composition changes in papaya tissues." Phothiset S, Charoenrein S. 2014.]</ref>. Freezing fruit can also ~~knock back~~ reduce the ~~microbes~~ microbe populations present on the fruit. Note however that freezing does not kill all the microbes on the fruitand many pathogens and beer spoilers can survive freezing (freezing does not pasteurize the fruit). Finally, freezing fruit allows the brewer (especially the homebrewer) to take advantage of local and seasonal fruits when they may not have a use ready for those fruits in season. Frozen fruits are also available as IQF, or individually quick frozen fruit. IQF fruit is frozen but each berry is distinct rather than a single frozen mass. This allows for easier handling, helps prevent clumping, makes for easier fitting of fruit into small openings in carboys or barrels, and allows screening and removal of bad looking fruit. The cell walls of IQF fruit are less broken down than bulk frozen fruit, so there might be a slower extraction rate when using IQF <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1302351986459679/?comment_id=1302550736439804&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R0%22%7D Conversation about freezing fruit on MTF. 05/10/2016.]</ref>. Defrost frozen fruit in the microwave or in the fridge over night. The fruit doesn't necessarily have to come all the way up to cellaring or room temperature. Adding frozen fruit without thawing it first is probably fine as well. The beer and frozen fruit will come back up to ambient temperatures over night <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1215622131799332/?comment_id=1215820848446127&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D Conversation with Devin Bell on MTF. 01/17/2016.]</ref>.

* '''Pureed fresh''' - pureeing fresh fruit has the benefit of extracting the fruit flavor faster. It also sinks to the bottom of the fermenter <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1172395836121962/?comment_id=1172413292786883&offset=0&total_comments=10&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R4%22%7D Conversation with Dara McMains on MTF regarding puree. 11/1/2015.]</ref>, so the problem of floating whole fruit is avoided. Puree can be difficult to rack the beer off of, and more beer may be lost compared to using whole fruit (see [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2225127047515497/ this MTF thread] for tips on filtering out or racking off of puree as a homebrewer). Some brewers choose to heat pasteurize freshly made puree.

* '''Aseptic puree''' - Same as "Pureed Fresh", but has already been pasteurized. This is usually the case for commercially available puree. We recommend [http://www.oregonfruit.com/specialty-fruit-products Oregon Specialty Fruit], [https://www.perfectpuree.com/ The Perfect Puree], or [https://ititropicals.com iTi Tropicals] for quality commercial puree. These purees often have antioxidants such as citric and absorbic acids, cane sugar, and other juices added to them <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1308527842508760/?comment_id=1308584599169751&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R1%22%7D Conversation with Ehren Schmidt about Perfect Purees having cane sugar and acids added to them on MTF. 05/18/2016.]</ref>. Check the ingredients list of any product before ordering it. Much like fresh purees, aseptic purees or pulps may result in a fair amount of volume loss at packaging, and some puree making it into the final package can be problematic for gushing (see [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2225127047515497/ this MTF thread] for tips on filtering out or racking off of puree as a homebrewer) <ref name='Adi mango pulp discussion'>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1234801133214765/ Adi mango pulp discussion]</ref>. See the [http://www.oregonfruit.com/fruit-brewing/category/brewing-with-fruit/brewing-faq Oregon Fruit webpage] for tips on usage amounts and how to use puree for brewing (they recommend 1/2 to 2 pounds of puree per gallon of finished beer). [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1976299465731591/ Evan Coppage demonstrates how to use a tri clover compatible clamp to more easily open a bag of Oregon Fruit puree.]

* '''Zest''' - the zest (outer layer) of citrus fruit is often used in beer. It is often added to the end of the boil, but tinctures can also be made and added after or during fermentation, or citrus zest can be added to the beer directly.

* '''Frozen''' - Many [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2078296595531877/ exotic fruits] are available at world markets in frozen format.

See also:

* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2818147458213450/ MTF thread on leads to machines that remove pits/stones from fruit for commercial breweries.]

===Prefermenting, Brining, and Other Pre-processing Methods===

====Other Alternative Processing and Fermentation Methods====

* Jamil Zainasheff recommends fermenting the fruit into a fruit wine using a ''S. cerevisiae'' strain in a separate fermenter. Doing so allows for a fast fermentation since fruit consists of mostly simple sugars, and allows the brewer to blend the fermented fruit wine into the finished beer at the desired proportions. This reportedly can produce "brighter" fruit character than fermenting fruit in sour beer for a longer period of time. The fruit would have to be in liquid format, and high sugar fruits such as wine grapes might need to be diluted with water first in order to ensure a quick fermentation. See comments by Zainasheff in [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/4183221418372707 this MTF thread] for more details. * Caramelization of fruit juices, smoking, spontaneous or kombucha based pre-fermentation, and other culinary inspired methods can also be used to help transform fruit. Paradox Beer Co's Pineapple Upside down sour was created using a candi syrup created from pineapple juice raised to a PH of around 6 with baking soda to increase the maillard effect and provide a more intense long lasting caramelized flavor <ref name="Airman_MeadHouse" />.

====Related Milk the Funk Facebook Group Posts and Other Links====

* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1335647439796800/ DeWayne Schaaf posted about Umezuke (Japanese salt preserved plums).]

* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yQ9m6-JUCwzkeDjd6bPyKU9B4Lc2M6acfGxxLyCA9OI/edit?usp=sharing Examples of fermented fruits in beers (Google Doc).]

*[https://www.escarpmentlabs.com/single-post/2019/12/10/Fermented-hot-sauce-keep-kahm-ferment-on Escarpment Labs blog article on kahm yeast.]

* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/3795398910488295 MTF thread by Morgan Grant McGaha on using carbonic maceration for fruit before adding to beer.]

* [[Wine|Carbonic maceration]]

* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/4232732406754941/ Thread about instant haze formation when blending wine with sour beer, and what to do to clear it.]

==Fruit varieties and usage suggestions==

* Cranberries - Consider adding a some raspberries to go with the cranberries for added complexity <ref name="carver_cranberry"></ref>.

* Elderberries - Avoid using underripe elderberries (and elderberry leaves); they may contain cyanide precursors <ref>[http://nordicfoodlab.org/blog/2013/8/hydrogen-cyanide "Searching for cyanide". Nordic Food Lab. 09/05/2013. Retrieved 07/27/2016.]</ref>. Elderberries are very strong flavored <ref name="karnowski_elderrberry">[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1830981766930029/ Mike Karnowski and Josh Hockley. Milk The Funk Facebook group post on elderberry usage. 09/24/2017.]</ref>. See also [http://wvmjack.com/Elderberries/ElderberriesHarvest.html WV Elderberries Wine Farm] for information on elderberry harvesting.

* Fuyu or American Persimmon - Works well with fruity ''Brettanomyces'' character. Allow fruit to get overripe, and then squeeze the fruit to remove from the skins, and press the flesh through a sieve to remove the seeds <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1886948014666737/?comment_id=1887134124648126&/reply_comment_id=1887137797981092&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R5%22%7D DeWayne Schaaf. MTF thread on persimmons. 11/17/2017.]</ref>. American and Fuyu are different species, and can have different qualities. See this [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2905116476183214/ MTF thread] for general advice on persimmons.

* Grapefruit - Can be combined with zest (as can other citrus fruits). Use 5-10 grams of zest for ~5 gallons. Some prefer pink grapefruit <ref name="eisenberg_thread"></ref>.

* Grapes - Wine grapes are preferable for their depth of flavor compared to table grapes. Consider both the influence of the juice of the fruit as well as the potential to pull tannins and flavor/aroma from skins. Some homebrewers have experimented successfully with blending finished wine with beers, and for many brewers you will have much easier access to good wine than good wine grapes <ref name='Mad Fermentationist Riesling and Lambic'>[http://www.themadfermentationist.com/2010/02/blending-wine-and-lambic.html Mad Fermentationist blending wine and lambic]</ref> <ref name='Mad Fermentationist New Zealand saison'>[http://www.themadfermentationist.com/2014/08/new-zealand-saison-and-glycosides.html Mad Fermentationist New Zealand saison]</ref>. If you are interested in sourcing quality grapes and you live in a wine region, make friends with your local wineries. It will probably be good for you even if grape requests do not bear fruit (see what I did there, that was pretty funny).

** [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2297438706950997/ MTF thread on long contact time on grape skins.]

** [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2562780853750113/ MTF thread on grape skin contact time, amounts, and avoiding acetic acid production.]

* Kiwi - Peel and dice or slice; optionally freeze. Some brewers say leave out skins <ref name="MTF_Thread"></ref>, but other brewers report success with leaving the skins since the skins are edible. One easy way to remove the skins is to halve the fruit long-ways and then scoop out the fruit, separating it from the skin. See this [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2793089500719246/ MTF thread[].

* Kumquat - Can get too bitter if too many are used. It doesn't take much to get a nice citrus and rind character <ref name="eisenberg_thread"></ref>.

* Loquot - Leave out pits.

* Lychee - Not much yield when using whole fruit. Difficult to work with because it has a tough rind and large seed. Flavor can be subtle. Recommended to use juice or puree instead of whole fruit <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1284047998290078/ Conversation about lychee fruit on MTF. 04/14/2016.]</ref>.

* Passion fruit - When using whole fruit, use the pulp only. Whole passion fruit can be expensive, so puree or pulp is a good option. [http://www.goya.com/english/product_subcategory/frozen-foods/fruit-pulps Goya Fruta brand] has been recommended at 1 package per gallon, and can be found at world markets (Asian and Latino groceries) <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1466272273400982/?comment_id=1468257819869094&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D Passion fruit recommendation from Alex Aguillon. 11/13/2016.]</ref>. Various members of MTF [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/3028097593885101/ have reported sulfur] production when using passion fruit in beer in general.

* Paw Paw - It can be burdensome to remove the flesh from the skins and seeds by hand. MTFer Mark W. recommends using a potato ricer for this <ref name='Paw Paw discussion on MTF FB page'>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1400852799942930/ Paw Paw discussion on MTF FB page]</ref>.

* Peaches - Some varieties of peaches are prone to bacteria spot, and these varieties are often treated with a copper based solution which can result in a metallic taste in beer. See [http://scottjanish.com/peaches-and-quinoa-sour/ this Scott Janish blog article].

* Pineapple - Leave the skins out. See also [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/4359006897460824 this MTF thread].

* Prickly Pear - Difficult to process. Some advise burning the hairs off and leaving on the skins, however the skins may contribute a slight "pithy" character (some brewers report getting no pithy character by leaving on the skins). Some brewers blend into a puree, and use a food processor to remove the seeds. Others use a press to press out the juice and leave the skins/seeds behind. Others advise to cut them up, add a cup of water, and bring them up to 180°F, and then use a potato masher to mash them up. Hang in a hop sack to drain over night. They are high in pectin and mucilage, so using pectinase to help with clarity is an option (see using pectinase instructions below) <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1590389987655876/ Conversation on MTF on prickly pear fruit. 02/20/2017.]</ref><ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1409578605737016/?match=cHJpY2tseSBwZWFy Conversation about prickly pear fruit on MTF. 09/17/2016.]</ref>.

* Quince - Very aromatic, but also has pectin haze. Also able to be used are Japanese flowering quince (Chaenomeles) <ref name="MTF_Thread"></ref>. Kristen England recommends using membrillo quince paste; cooking orletting fresh quince get overripte can help remove the high bitterness of the fruit <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2086356058059264/?comment_id=2086376124723924&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R2%22%7D Kristen England. Milk The Funk Facebook thread on using quince. 05/08/2018.]</ref>.

* Sea Buckthorn - Adds a lot of acidity; add less to more sour beers. Juicing tends to be the most popular approach. See quantities below <ref name="sea_buckthorn" />.

* Sumac - Provides a lot of "lemony" acidity. Can boil it, but don't boil for too long or the nice red color will turn brown.

* Strawberry - It is thought that the seeds might carry a lot of p-coumaric acid, which can transform into 4-vinylphenol and 4-ethylphenol in the presence of ''Brettanomyces'', which tastes like plastic. Some people have had luck juicing strawberries and removing any seed or vegetal material (or using strawberry juice) to avoid plastic flavors <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1300991233262421/?comment_id=1301153443246200&reply_comment_id=1301956473165897&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R1%22%7D Discussion with James Sites on MTF regarding strawberries and 4EP precursor. 05/09/2016.]</ref><ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1599245436770331/?comment_id=1599288443432697&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R1%22%7D Conversation with Kyle Pittser on MTF regarding the use of strawberries. 03/01/2017.]</ref>. To remove pulp and seeds, MTF members have advised using a [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flotte_Lotte flotte lotte], basket press, or Breville Juice Fountain Elite juicer <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1624796030881938/ Ingo Janssen, Thomas Creighton, and Ryan Adam Bickley. Milk The Funk Facebook group. 03/24/2017.]</ref>. There have also been reports that removing the seeds did not remove the plastic phenol with the hypothesis that the strain of ''Brettanomyces'' used might play a role <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1989785807716290/?comment_id=1990127514348786&reply_comment_id=1990140754347462&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R6%22%7D Tim Moriarty and Justin Amaral. Milk The Funk Facebook ~~gropu~~ group post on removing seeds ~~fro mstrawberries~~from strawberries. 02/15/2018.]</ref>. See also this [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2653654431329421/ MTF thread]. Phillip Emerson of Almanac Brewing Co reported getting no plastic off-flavor when using freeze dried strawberries. He also reported anecdotally that white skin seems to correlate to plastic off-flavors <ref>[http://www.thebrewingnetwork.com/sour-hour-episode-119/ Phillip Emerson. The Sour Hour Podcast, episode #119. 02/14/2020.]</ref> (~40 minutes in). Several brewers in MTF reported getting no plastic off flavors when using Oregon Fruit strawberry puree <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/3532479380113584/ Several MTF members on using Oregon Fruit strawberry puree. Milk The Funk Facebook group thread. 05/25/2020.]</ref>.

* Tamarind - Provides an umami flavor that some people might not like <ref name="MTF_Thread"></ref>.

* Vanilla Fruit (Beans/Extract) - Organic/natural recommended for extract. Start at 1 teaspoon per 5 gallons of beer, and add more to taste. For whole beans, cut long ways and scrape out the insides, add entire bean. Balances well with acidity, and some have reported that it adds some mouthfeel to ''Brettanomyces'' based beers <ref name="vanilla1" /><ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1639312752763599/ Milk The Funk Facebook thread on vanilla beans. 03/05/2017.]</ref>.

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| Cranberry || 32 fl oz/5 gal <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1180202708674608/?comment_id=1180204098674469&reply_comment_id=1180204535341092&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R8%22%7D Conversation with James Sites on cranberry juice on MTF. 11/17/2015.]</ref>|| || || || 1 lb/gal <ref name="carver_cranberry">[https://~~www~~docs.~~facebook~~google.com/~~groups~~document/~~MilkTheFunk~~d/~~permalink/1177851645576381~~1eS22xBkquX4T9-jy-AWqKPyQadJSz-wfoK4rF6twHsg/edit?~~comment_id=1177863095575236&offset=0&total_comments=11&comment_tracking~~usp=~~%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D~~ sharing Conversation with Dustin Carver on MTF for cranberry usage. 11/16/2015.]</ref> || 6-8 weeks ||

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| Elderberry || || || 0.5 lbs/gal <ref name="MTF_Thread"></ref><ref name="karnowski_elderrberry" /> || || || 6-8 weeks ||

| Pear || || || || || || 6-8 weeks ||

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| [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dried_lime Persian Lime (loomi/dried lime/black lime)] || || || || ~1 lime per gallon, or less <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/# posts/1498579683503574/?comment_id=1498669483494594&reply_comment_id=1498932056801670 Conversation with Caroline Whalen Taggart on MTF regarding Persian limes. 12/06/2016.]</ref><ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1678989055462635/ Tips from various brewers on using black lime on MTF. 05/07/2017.]</ref> || || One quarter added during boil, rest added to secondary for 6-8 weeks (or all added to late boil, or all added to secondary) || [http://www.uprightbrewing.com/uploads/9/1/9/6/9196638/saison_vert_with_label.pdf Upright Brewing Saison Vert].

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| Pineapple || 1.36 - 2 litres per 20 litres of beer (Dole sugarless)<ref>Richard Sigesmund. Private correspondence with Dan Pixley. 10/06/2020.</ref> || || 2 lbs/gal (skins on)<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1167993543228858/?comment_id=4676369612391216 Lars Meiner. Milk The Funk Facebook group post about pineapple usage. 06/06/2021.]</ref> || || 1 pineapple/gal <ref name="MTF_Thread"></ref> || 6-8 weeks ||

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| Plum || || || || || 2-3 lbs/gal<ref name="MTF Plum Thread">[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1406234156071461/ MTF thread about plums, 14-Sept-2016]</ref> || Some prefer shorter contact (1-2 weeks) and higher rate, others suggest longer contact (3+ months) and lower fruiting rates<ref name="MTF Plum Thread"/> || 250g/l (2 lbs/gallon) Tilquin Quetsche (contact time of 4 months)<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=960118040712844&id=124028207655169 Tilquin Facebook Post 22-Sept-15]</ref>

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