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+ | Debate regarding the natural habitat of Brett: https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/posts/6761482160546607/ ; I rearranged references and re-wrote the first paragraph of the "Environment and Survival" section on the wiki [[User:DanABA|DanABA]] ([[User talk:DanABA|talk]]) 21:28, 26 March 2023 (MDT) | ||
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+ | I did some digging to see what scientific resources point to Estuaries being a primary habitat for Brett/Dekkera. I found several review papers which indicated this, but they all cite one study: https://www.scielo.br/j/bjm/a/vVk8NwTZSFWthp5gvDcdKRf/?lang=en&format=html#. | ||
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+ | https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paola-Navarrete-4/publication/260600349_Use_of_Yeasts_as_Probiotics_in_Fish_Aquaculture/links/0a85e531c7f48e74a8000000/Use-of-Yeasts-as-Probiotics-in-Fish-Aquaculture.pdf | ||
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+ | The problem with this paper from Brazil is that they relied on morphology to identify the microbes as Brett. Morphology alone is not adequate to ID yeast species or genera; this is what got us into trouble regarding "Sacch Trois": https://suigenerisbrewing.com/index.php/2014/12/15/brett-trois-a-riddle-wrapped-in-a-mystery-inside-an-enigma/ | ||
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+ | There were two other primary sources that I found by digging through these review papers and Google Scholar citations: | ||
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+ | https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/fishsci1994/64/4/64_4_633/_pdf/-char/ja | ||
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+ | This paper never actually reported finding Dekkera, so I am not sure why the review paper from 2008 reported this. Maybe one of the species was reclassified. | ||
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+ | Another paper is a PhD thesis, but I can't find the actual body of this work (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sarlin-P-J-2/publication/277171625_Marine_yeasts_as_source_of_single_cell_protein_and_immunostimulant_for_application_in_Penaeid_prawn_culture_systems/links/56eb7abf08aeb65d7593ec68/Marine-yeasts-as-source-of-single-cell-protein-and-immunostimulant-for-application-in-Penaeid-prawn-culture-systems.pdf). | ||
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+ | [[User:DanABA|DanABA]] ([[User talk:DanABA|talk]]) 17:31, 21 January 2023 (MST) | ||
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Under carbohydrate metabolism we refer to 9 chains being consumable by Brett, but the recent article referenced in this [https://twitter.com/BrettWillEat/status/807226046709960704?lang=en tweet] claims 9-12, depending on the species. Not sure if we have a direct link to that article for reference, or if it would be better to dig up the paper it references (ref 10 from the article). [[User:TheGremlyn|TheGremlyn]] ([[User talk:TheGremlyn|talk]]) 14:47, 19 December 2016 (CST) | Under carbohydrate metabolism we refer to 9 chains being consumable by Brett, but the recent article referenced in this [https://twitter.com/BrettWillEat/status/807226046709960704?lang=en tweet] claims 9-12, depending on the species. Not sure if we have a direct link to that article for reference, or if it would be better to dig up the paper it references (ref 10 from the article). [[User:TheGremlyn|TheGremlyn]] ([[User talk:TheGremlyn|talk]]) 14:47, 19 December 2016 (CST) | ||
: I looked up the original reference, and it is the same reference that Yakobson uses. Looking at the abstract, it looks like there is something to this. I'll read the study and update the wiki page. Thanks for catching that! [[User:DanABA|DanABA]] ([[User talk:DanABA|talk]]) 18:43, 21 December 2016 (CST) | : I looked up the original reference, and it is the same reference that Yakobson uses. Looking at the abstract, it looks like there is something to this. I'll read the study and update the wiki page. Thanks for catching that! [[User:DanABA|DanABA]] ([[User talk:DanABA|talk]]) 18:43, 21 December 2016 (CST) |
Latest revision as of 20:29, 26 March 2023
Debate regarding the natural habitat of Brett: https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/posts/6761482160546607/ ; I rearranged references and re-wrote the first paragraph of the "Environment and Survival" section on the wiki DanABA (talk) 21:28, 26 March 2023 (MDT)
I did some digging to see what scientific resources point to Estuaries being a primary habitat for Brett/Dekkera. I found several review papers which indicated this, but they all cite one study: https://www.scielo.br/j/bjm/a/vVk8NwTZSFWthp5gvDcdKRf/?lang=en&format=html#.
Review studies: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/yea.1599
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13225-015-0339-4
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-62683-3_1
The problem with this paper from Brazil is that they relied on morphology to identify the microbes as Brett. Morphology alone is not adequate to ID yeast species or genera; this is what got us into trouble regarding "Sacch Trois": https://suigenerisbrewing.com/index.php/2014/12/15/brett-trois-a-riddle-wrapped-in-a-mystery-inside-an-enigma/
There were two other primary sources that I found by digging through these review papers and Google Scholar citations:
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/fishsci1994/64/4/64_4_633/_pdf/-char/ja
This paper never actually reported finding Dekkera, so I am not sure why the review paper from 2008 reported this. Maybe one of the species was reclassified.
Another paper is a PhD thesis, but I can't find the actual body of this work (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sarlin-P-J-2/publication/277171625_Marine_yeasts_as_source_of_single_cell_protein_and_immunostimulant_for_application_in_Penaeid_prawn_culture_systems/links/56eb7abf08aeb65d7593ec68/Marine-yeasts-as-source-of-single-cell-protein-and-immunostimulant-for-application-in-Penaeid-prawn-culture-systems.pdf).
DanABA (talk) 17:31, 21 January 2023 (MST)
Under carbohydrate metabolism we refer to 9 chains being consumable by Brett, but the recent article referenced in this tweet claims 9-12, depending on the species. Not sure if we have a direct link to that article for reference, or if it would be better to dig up the paper it references (ref 10 from the article). TheGremlyn (talk) 14:47, 19 December 2016 (CST)
- I looked up the original reference, and it is the same reference that Yakobson uses. Looking at the abstract, it looks like there is something to this. I'll read the study and update the wiki page. Thanks for catching that! DanABA (talk) 18:43, 21 December 2016 (CST)
Not sure who is curating this page, but the Craft Cultures refers to their Brettanomyces as bacteria, which I feel we should correct. TheGremlyn (talk) 13:18, 29 August 2016 (CDT)