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A '''foeder''' (pronounced FOOD-er) is the Dutch word for a large wooden barrel set vertically and used for either long term fermentation or primary fermentation.  In Dutch, the synonym "vaten" is often used, which translates to English as "vat".  The term "vat" is used in the United Kingdom.  In Germany, the term is "bottich" or "holzbottich", which also translate to "wooden vat" in English <ref>Kunze, Wolfgang.  "Technology: Brewing and Malting, Sixth Edition."  2019.  Pgs 31,32.</ref><ref>Benedicht Koch.  Private correspondence with Dan Pixley on the German word for "wooden vat".  01/18/2020.</ref>.  It is written as "foudre" in French, or "foedre" by some American breweries (the word "foudre" in French more typically means "thunderbolt" <ref>[https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foudre Foudre.  French Wikipedia.  Retrieved 10/23/2019.]</ref>).  A foeder can range in size from 600 to 1 million liters <ref>[https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodenbach_(brouwerij) Dutch Wikipedia.  Rodenbach (brouwerij).  Retrieved 10/23/2019.]</ref><ref>[http://zythophile.co.uk/2019/10/18/do-you-gyle-your-ale-after-it-leaves-the-cooler-and-finishes-fermenting-in-the-vat-or-krausen-your-beer-post-coolship-when-its-run-out-of-the-foeder Martyn Cornell.  Zythophile magazine.  10/18/2019.  Retrieved 10/23/2019.]</ref><ref>[http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2019/05/runners-and-keepers.html Ron Pattenson.  Shut Up About Barclay Perkins blog.  05/10/2019.  Retrieved 10/23/2019.]</ref><ref>[https://beerconnoisseur.com/articles/what-foeder Jim Dykstra.  "What is a Foeder?".  The Beer Connoisseur.  09/08/2016.  Retrieved 10/23/2019.]</ref>.
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A '''foeder''' (pronounced FOOD-er) is the Dutch word (originally "voeder" in Dutch, and perhaps changed by Rodenbach's French-speaking management to adopt the "f" from the French version, "foudre" <ref>[https://lostbeers.com/a-small-history-of-flemish-old-brown-and-red-1/#_edn12 Roel Mulder.  "A small history of Flemish old brown (and red) – 1."  08/11/2020.]</ref>) for a large wooden vat used for either long term fermentation or primary fermentation.  In Dutch, the synonym "vaten" is often used, which translates to English as "vat".  The term "vat" is used in the United Kingdom.  In Germany, the term is "fass" (translates to "barrel" in English) or sometimes "Großefass" (translates to "big barrel" in English), which is phonetically related to "vat" in English or "vaten" in Dutch (note that "holzbottich" is the German word for open-top wooden vessels) <ref>Kunze, Wolfgang.  "Technology: Brewing and Malting, Sixth Edition."  2019.  Pgs 31,32.</ref><ref>[https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gro%C3%9Fes_Fass_des_Heidelberger_Schlosses Großes Fass des Heidelberger Schlosses. German Wikipedia.  Retrieved 01/21/2020.]</ref><ref>Benedicht Koch.  Private correspondence with Dan Pixley on the German word for "foeder".  01/18/2020.</ref>.  It is written as "foudre" in French, or "foedre" by some American breweries (the word "foudre" in French more typically means "thunderbolt" <ref>[https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foudre Foudre.  French Wikipedia.  Retrieved 10/23/2019.]</ref>).  A foeder can range in size from 600 to 1 million liters <ref>[https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodenbach_(brouwerij) Dutch Wikipedia.  Rodenbach (brouwerij).  Retrieved 10/23/2019.]</ref><ref>[http://zythophile.co.uk/2019/10/18/do-you-gyle-your-ale-after-it-leaves-the-cooler-and-finishes-fermenting-in-the-vat-or-krausen-your-beer-post-coolship-when-its-run-out-of-the-foeder Martyn Cornell.  Zythophile magazine.  10/18/2019.  Retrieved 10/23/2019.]</ref><ref>[http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2019/05/runners-and-keepers.html Ron Pattenson.  Shut Up About Barclay Perkins blog.  05/10/2019.  Retrieved 10/23/2019.]</ref><ref>[https://beerconnoisseur.com/articles/what-foeder Jim Dykstra.  "What is a Foeder?".  The Beer Connoisseur.  09/08/2016.  Retrieved 10/23/2019.]</ref>.
  
 
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==Care==
 
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* "As for the Foeders, you'll want to get the Foeder in place and swollen right away. Hot Liquor from your HLT will do the job. I really like to set up a CIP type loop. About 1 bbl of HLT liquor in the foeder then a loop with a spray ball up top in the foeder through the manway hole. Then we use a product called [http://www.birkocorp.com/brewery/products-for-brewery-winery-beverage-and-ethanol-production/ ACTO 140] sold by Berko chems [Birko Chemicals]. We loop that for about 30-60min. Then rinse with HLT liquor. Then if you can't purge with CO2 and fill with beer the next day we fill the Foeders up with potassium metabisulphite and citric acid. The rate is 2g of Kmeta and 1g of citric acid per litre of filtered water. Then keep this in the Foeder till you are ready to empty and fill with beer." - Chad Yakobson in an email to Brad Primozic; independently verified and approved for publication by Chad Yakobson in a private email with Dan Pixley <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1031076040253943/?comment_id=1031152530246294&offset=0&total_comments=18 Conversation with Brad Primozic on the Milk The Funk Facebook group.  3/5/2015.]</ref>.
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* "As for the Foeders, you'll want to get the Foeder in place and swollen right away. Hot Liquor from your HLT will do the job. I really like to set up a CIP type loop. About 1 bbl of HLT liquor in the foeder then a loop with a spray ball up top in the foeder through the manway hole. Then we use a product called [http://www.birkocorp.com/brewery/products-for-brewery-winery-beverage-and-ethanol-production/ ACTO 140] sold by Birko chems [Birko Chemicals]. <nowiki>*</nowiki>Editor update: dosage is 1-2 ounces per gallon of 140F water; typical exposure time is 15-30 minutes, and then rinse <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/posts/7339030769458407/ Reported communication with Dana Johnson by Nicki Sener. Milk The Funk Facebook group. 09/09/2023.]</ref>. See also [https://morewinemaking.com/products/sodium-percarbonate.html sodium percarbonate].<nowiki>*</nowiki> We loop that for about 30-60min. Then rinse with HLT liquor. Then if you can't purge with CO2 and fill with beer the next day we fill the Foeders up with potassium metabisulphite and citric acid. The rate is 2g of Kmeta and 1g of citric acid per litre of filtered water. Then keep this in the Foeder till you are ready to empty and fill with beer." - Chad Yakobson in an email to Brad Primozic; independently verified and approved for publication by Chad Yakobson in a private email with Dan Pixley <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1031076040253943/?comment_id=1031152530246294&offset=0&total_comments=18 Conversation with Brad Primozic on the Milk The Funk Facebook group.  3/5/2015.]</ref>.
  
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* Rocky Mountain Barrel Company advises that when hydrating a new dry foeder, it is best to fill it incrementally.  Otherwise, the pressure from being completely full will be too strong for any leaks towards the bottom of the tank to seal <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/rockymbc/photos/a.10151106541736918/10156661511646918/?type=3&theater Rocky Mountain barrel Company Facebook post.  
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* Rocky Mountain Barrel Company advises that when hydrating a new dry foeder, it is best to fill it incrementally.  Otherwise, the pressure from being completely full will be too strong for any leaks towards the bottom of the tank to seal <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/rockymbc/photos/a.10151106541736918/10156661511646918/?type=3&theater Rocky Mountain barrel Company Facebook post. 10/30/2019.]</ref>.
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* As with [[Barrel|barrels]], thoroughly rinse the citric acid and potassium metabisulphite from foeders before filling them.  Flush them with CO2 as well before using them if possible <ref>Conversation with Mike Makris of The Rare Barrel and Brandon Jones of Yazoo Brewing Co regarding rinsing and flushing foeders.  12/22/2015.</ref>.   
 
* As with [[Barrel|barrels]], thoroughly rinse the citric acid and potassium metabisulphite from foeders before filling them.  Flush them with CO2 as well before using them if possible <ref>Conversation with Mike Makris of The Rare Barrel and Brandon Jones of Yazoo Brewing Co regarding rinsing and flushing foeders.  12/22/2015.</ref>.   
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* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1845691305459075/ Tips and advice on reviving a 100 year old foeder.]
 
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1845691305459075/ Tips and advice on reviving a 100 year old foeder.]
 
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1956060464422158/ Swelling a foeder in one day with garden mister heads, by Mat Waddel and Jace Marti.]
 
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1956060464422158/ Swelling a foeder in one day with garden mister heads, by Mat Waddel and Jace Marti.]
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* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/4189454547749394/ MTF thread on ozone versus steam for foeders.]
  
 
===Repairs===
 
===Repairs===
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==Designs==
 
==Designs==
 
===Egg shaped===
 
===Egg shaped===
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Egg shaped foeders sit horizontally and are reminscient of an egg shape.  This has the benefit of taking advantage of vertical space, as well as limiting headspace moreso than traditional foeders <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1991098647585006/ Shane Stewart and Ryan Buxton.  Milk the Funk Facebook gropu post on egg shaped foeders.  02/16/2018.]</ref>.
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Egg shaped foeders sit horizontally and are reminiscent of an egg shape.  This has the benefit of taking advantage of vertical space, as well as limiting headspace more so than traditional foeders <ref>[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wRa2cgU2KOI5aGfATrQBZ_X99XTHOb6PjneKirhtRcI/edit?usp=sharing Shane Stewart and Ryan Buxton.  Milk the Funk Facebook group post on egg shaped foeders.  02/16/2018.]</ref>.
  
 
==Suppliers/Manufacturers==
 
==Suppliers/Manufacturers==
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* [http://www.rockymountainbarrelcompany.com/ Rocky Mountain Barrel Company] (May not be reflected on website; [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152590772113929&set=pcb.10152590777888929&type=1 offers barrels] converted to foeders)
 
* [http://www.rockymountainbarrelcompany.com/ Rocky Mountain Barrel Company] (May not be reflected on website; [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152590772113929&set=pcb.10152590777888929&type=1 offers barrels] converted to foeders)
 
* [http://www.wilhelm-eder.de/ Wilhelm Eder <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1077831605578386/?comment_id=1077959628898917&offset=0&total_comments=12&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D Conversation with Jeff Porn on MTF.  5/25/2015.]</ref>]
 
* [http://www.wilhelm-eder.de/ Wilhelm Eder <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1077831605578386/?comment_id=1077959628898917&offset=0&total_comments=12&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D Conversation with Jeff Porn on MTF.  5/25/2015.]</ref>]
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* [http://www.keystonefermentationsupply.com/foudres-new-reconditioned Keystone Fermentation Supply.]
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* [https://www.keystonefermentationsupply.com/ Keystone Fermentation Supply.]
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* [http://www.tonnelleriequintessence.fr/perle-pression.html?fbclid=IwAR00UFTm65ZeyAHSr3ITFGwREo5I7TksKpHuZAPHbGG0uy2Se9dNWkystw4 French Perle de Quintessence Pression (technically not a foeder).]  See also [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2348690708492463/ this MTF thread for reviews/discussion of this product].
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* [https://www.foedersmith.com/ Foeder Smith (also has very small foeders for homebrewers).]
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* [https://www.facebook.com/Qcooperage/posts/3941138439266037 Quercus Cooperage (also has homebrew scale foeders].
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* [https://www.tonnelleriequintessence.fr/en/barrels/perle-de-quintessence/ French Perle de Quintessence Pression (technically not a foeder).]  See also [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2348690708492463/ this MTF thread for reviews/discussion of this product].
  
 
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* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1768569059837967/ Discussion on upright versus horizontal foeders.]
 
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1768569059837967/ Discussion on upright versus horizontal foeders.]
 
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2085255694835967/ Thread with tips on building foeders.]
 
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2085255694835967/ Thread with tips on building foeders.]
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* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/3251106514917540/ Thread about a Ron Pattinson book passage ("Strong!") on brewers putting sand on the lids of their wooden vats.]
  
 
===Additional Articles on MTF Wiki===
 
===Additional Articles on MTF Wiki===

Latest revision as of 17:34, 19 November 2023

A foeder (pronounced FOOD-er) is the Dutch word (originally "voeder" in Dutch, and perhaps changed by Rodenbach's French-speaking management to adopt the "f" from the French version, "foudre" [1]) for a large wooden vat used for either long term fermentation or primary fermentation. In Dutch, the synonym "vaten" is often used, which translates to English as "vat". The term "vat" is used in the United Kingdom. In Germany, the term is "fass" (translates to "barrel" in English) or sometimes "Großefass" (translates to "big barrel" in English), which is phonetically related to "vat" in English or "vaten" in Dutch (note that "holzbottich" is the German word for open-top wooden vessels) [2][3][4]. It is written as "foudre" in French, or "foedre" by some American breweries (the word "foudre" in French more typically means "thunderbolt" [5]). A foeder can range in size from 600 to 1 million liters [6][7][8][9].

Images

  • Casey Brewing and Blending wine barrels converted to foeders

  • Smaller sized Foeder example in a brewery located in Dusetos, Lithuania

  • Bearded Iris Brewing 1000G foeders

  • Bearded Iris Brewing small foeder for experimental brews for primary fermentation and inoculation.

Care

  • "As for the Foeders, you'll want to get the Foeder in place and swollen right away. Hot Liquor from your HLT will do the job. I really like to set up a CIP type loop. About 1 bbl of HLT liquor in the foeder then a loop with a spray ball up top in the foeder through the manway hole. Then we use a product called ACTO 140 sold by Birko chems [Birko Chemicals]. *Editor update: dosage is 1-2 ounces per gallon of 140F water; typical exposure time is 15-30 minutes, and then rinse [10]. See also sodium percarbonate.* We loop that for about 30-60min. Then rinse with HLT liquor. Then if you can't purge with CO2 and fill with beer the next day we fill the Foeders up with potassium metabisulphite and citric acid. The rate is 2g of Kmeta and 1g of citric acid per litre of filtered water. Then keep this in the Foeder till you are ready to empty and fill with beer." - Chad Yakobson in an email to Brad Primozic; independently verified and approved for publication by Chad Yakobson in a private email with Dan Pixley [11].
  • Rocky Mountain Barrel Company advises that when hydrating a new dry foeder, it is best to fill it incrementally. Otherwise, the pressure from being completely full will be too strong for any leaks towards the bottom of the tank to seal [12].
  • As with barrels, thoroughly rinse the citric acid and potassium metabisulphite from foeders before filling them. Flush them with CO2 as well before using them if possible [13].

See also:

Repairs

  • Brandon Jones recommends wet liner epoxy to seal cracks in barrels; use on the inside as per the manufacturer's instructions [14].

Designs

Egg shaped

Egg shaped foeders sit horizontally and are reminiscent of an egg shape. This has the benefit of taking advantage of vertical space, as well as limiting headspace more so than traditional foeders [15].

Suppliers/Manufacturers

The following businesses specialize in the crafting and/or selling of foeders.

See Also

MTF Threads

Additional Articles on MTF Wiki

External Resources

References

  1. ↑ Roel Mulder. "A small history of Flemish old brown (and red) – 1." 08/11/2020.
  2. ↑ Kunze, Wolfgang. "Technology: Brewing and Malting, Sixth Edition." 2019. Pgs 31,32.
  3. ↑ Großes Fass des Heidelberger Schlosses. German Wikipedia. Retrieved 01/21/2020.
  4. ↑ Benedicht Koch. Private correspondence with Dan Pixley on the German word for "foeder". 01/18/2020.
  5. ↑ Foudre. French Wikipedia. Retrieved 10/23/2019.
  6. ↑ Dutch Wikipedia. Rodenbach (brouwerij). Retrieved 10/23/2019.
  7. ↑ Martyn Cornell. Zythophile magazine. 10/18/2019. Retrieved 10/23/2019.
  8. ↑ Ron Pattenson. Shut Up About Barclay Perkins blog. 05/10/2019. Retrieved 10/23/2019.
  9. ↑ Jim Dykstra. "What is a Foeder?". The Beer Connoisseur. 09/08/2016. Retrieved 10/23/2019.
  10. ↑ Reported communication with Dana Johnson by Nicki Sener. Milk The Funk Facebook group. 09/09/2023.
  11. ↑ Conversation with Brad Primozic on the Milk The Funk Facebook group. 3/5/2015.
  12. ↑ Rocky Mountain barrel Company Facebook post. 10/30/2019.
  13. ↑ Conversation with Mike Makris of The Rare Barrel and Brandon Jones of Yazoo Brewing Co regarding rinsing and flushing foeders. 12/22/2015.
  14. ↑ Brandon Jones. Milk The Funk Facebook group thread on repairing a crack in a foeder. 11/17/2018.
  15. ↑ Shane Stewart and Ryan Buxton. Milk the Funk Facebook group post on egg shaped foeders. 02/16/2018.
  16. ↑ Conversation with Jeff Porn on MTF. 5/25/2015.
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