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Forms of '''Tetrahydropyridines''' are a group of flavor active compounds found in some wines and sour beers. While harmless, they are often considered to be off-flavors in wine and beer. With the recent increase in spontaneously fermented wine and lower sulphite usage by certain wine producers, these flavors have become more prevalent in wine <ref name="Moulis_2023">[https://oeno-one.eu/article/view/7481 Moulis, P., Miot-Sertier, C., Cordazzo, L., Claisse, O., Franc, C., Riquier, L., Albertin, W., Marchand, S., De Revel, G., Rauhut, D., & Ballestra, P. (2023). Which microorganisms contribute to mousy off-flavour in our wines?. OENO One, 57(2), 177–187. https://doi.org/10.20870/oeno-one.2023.57.2.7481.]</ref>. Forms of tetrahydropyridines (abbreviated and often referred to generically by brewers and winemakers as '''THP'''), specifically 2-acetyl-3,4,5,6-tetrahydropyridine and 2-acetyl-1,4,5,6-tetrahydropyridine (abbreviated ATHP or ACTPY), 2-ethyltetrahydropyridine (abbreviated ETHP or ETPY), and 2-acetylpyrroline (abbreviated ACPY or APY) <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>, which are classified as a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketone ketone] and a cyclic [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imine imine] <ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6-Acetyl-2,3,4,5-tetrahydropyridine "6-Acetyl-2,3,4,5-tetrahydropyridine". Wikipedia. Retrieved 07/22/2016. ]</ref>, . They are commonly attributed to the "mousy", "urine" (in high amounts) Cheerios® or Cap'n Crunch® (in low amounts), "breakfast cereal", or more generically, "cracker biscuit" flavor in sour beersand wine. The flavor is detected towards the end of the swallow, and the aftertaste can remain for a few more than 10 minutes<ref name="Stenseels_2015_Essential">[https://www.academia.edu/19646963/Brettanomyces_Bruxellensis_Essential_Contributor_in_Spontaneous_Beer_Fermentations_Providing_Novel_Opportunities_for_the_Brewing_Industry Brettanomyces Bruxellensis, Essential Contributor in Spontaneous Beer Fermentations Providing Novel Opportunities for the Brewing Industry. Jan Steensels. BrewingScience, Sept/Oct 2015 (Vol. 68). 2015.]</ref>. Not all people 30% of winemakers are not able to detect the flavor of THPin wine (we do not know if this statistic is reflected in sour beer, but some people have reported not being able to taste THP in sour beer) <ref>[https://books.google.com/books?id=8yegCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT1784&lpg=PT1784&dq=oxford+companion+to+wine+Once+detected,+the+taint+renders+the+wine+undrinkable+and+worsens+in+the+glass,+but+as+many+as+30%25+of+winemakers+are+unable+to+detect+it.&source=bl&ots=-3o-uaZUgX&sig=ET7jldMp3Xdk61FknJ54k4P40CQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjsiZ7bxNPaAhVO8WMKHQHaBgMQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=oxford%20companion%20to%20wine%20Once%20detected%2C%20the%20taint%20renders%20the%20wine%20undrinkable%20and%20worsens%20in%20the%20glass%2C%20but%20as%20many%20as%2030%25%20of%20winemakers%20are%20unable%20to%20detect%20it.&f=false Jancis Robinson. "The Oxford Companion to Wine". Oxford University Press. Sep 17, 2005. Pg 483.]</ref>. The low pH of sour beer or wine makes it harder to detect the flavor and often impossible to detect the aroma. An increase in pH is needed in order to detect the off-flavorof THP, and the mouth's salivary pH serves that purpose when tasting beer or wine with THP. For example, as the mouth's pH adjusts back up after swallowing a sip of sour beer or wine, the THP becomes detectable in the aftertaste. This effect on sensory detection by low pH might also explain why some people are better at detecting it since people have different pH's on the surface of their tongues and saliva <ref name="Snowdon">[http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf0528613 Mousy Off-Flavor: A Review. Eleanor M. Snowdon, Michael C. Bowyer, Paul R. Grbin, and Paul K. Bowyer. 2006.]</ref>. Diacetyl is sometimes mistakenly indicated as a potential cause of "mousy" flavors in sour beers, however, tetrahydropyridines are the accepted cause. The flavor tends to age out of sour beers after 2-6 months in the fermenter, kegs, or bottles (although aging periods as long as possibly 8-12 months have been reported on MTF <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1447796001915276/?comment_id=1447826811912195&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D MTF thread about how long THP takes to age out with comment by Mark Trent. 10/24/2016.]</ref>). The exact mechanism for how THP ages out of beer is not fully understood, and it is unknown whether cold or room temperature storage speeds up the breakdown process (it . It is more likely that room temperature storage will result in faster breakdown of THP) , and anecdotes from MTF members seem to support this <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1451857101509166/ MTF discussion regarding THP degredation under room temperature versus refrigeration temperatures. 10/28/2016.]</ref><ref>[http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f127/cheerios-character-after-bottling-504468/#post6516169 Tonsmeire, Michael. Homebrewtalk.com post 1. 11/21/2014. Retrieved 3/10/2015.]</ref><ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1972251579469713/?comment_id=1972290999465771&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D Tariq Ahmed and Shane Martin. Milk The Funk thread about THP aging out of cider at room temperature. 01/30/2018.]</ref><ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2069944559700414/?comment_id=2070067719688098&reply_comment_id=2070405472987656&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R3%22%7D Ryan Sandlin. Milk The Funk Facebook group thread on THP aging out after 90 days of room temperature storage. 04/23/2018.]</ref>. Many brewers have noticed that pitching rehydrated wine yeast at packaging reduces the amount/duration of this flavor in kegs and bottles <ref>[http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f127/cheerios-character-after-bottling-504468/#post6522207 Tonsmeire, Michael. Homebrewtalk.com post 2. 11/21/2014. Retrieved 3/10/2015.]</ref>.

In foodTraditionally, Tetrahydropyridines are associated with the aroma mousy/Cheerios® flavor from THP is considered an off flavor in both wine and sour beer. There is some debate and differing opinions as to whether or not a small amount of baked goods such as white breadTHP flavor is allowable (or even enjoyable) in sour beers, however most consider any level to be an off flavor <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1864484553579750/ MTF discussion on whether or not THP should always be considered an off-flavor. 10/27/2017.]</ref>. In wine, popcornTHP is also generally considered an off-flavor, although to some people a small amount of THP is acceptable in natural wine. It has greatly been eliminated as a problem in wine making due to sulphite usage and tortillasbetter controlled fermentations. However, and is formed in recent years there has been an increase in the popularity of natural wine which has a higher chance of being affected by Maillard reactions during heatingTHP. There has therefore also been a recent increased attention to THP in wine due to the increased popularity of natural wine <ref>[https://www.sfchronicle.com/wine/article/There-s-a-mouse-in-your-wine-14465005.php Esther Mobley. San Francisco Chronicle. 09/24/2019. Retrieved 09/25/2019.]</ref>.

TraditionallyIn food, Tetrahydropyridines are associated with the mousy/Cheerios® flavor from THP aroma of baked goods such as white bread, popcorn, and tortillas, and is considered an off flavor in both wine and sour beerformed by Maillard reactions during heating. There is some debate and differing opinions as to whether or not a small amount These versions of THP flavor is allowable (or even enjoyable) in sour beers have a different chemical form than the forms produced by microbes, however most consider any level to be an off flavor <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1864484553579750/ MTF discussion on whether or not THP should always be considered an off-but they can have a similar flavor. 10/27/2017.]</ref>.

THP in wine ("mouse taint") was first described in wine by Müller-Thurgau and Osterwalder in 1913, although mention of an off-flavor in wine that 'is closely resembling the smell of a residence of mice' dates to 1894 in "A Treatise on wines" by J.L.W. Thudichum. Müller-Thurgau and Osterwalder attributed it to be produced by bacteria. They also established that the ability to detect THP varies from person to person <ref name="Grbin_1996" />. A 1908 text by the Germans Nessler and Windish linked THP off-flavors to wine that aged longer on lees, perhaps due to lysine release during yeast autolysis <ref name="Snowdon" />. In the 1940's, some scientists proposed that THP was purely a chemical reaction, however, their evidence was inconclusive. In 1977, Tucknott et al. was able to identify that THP production was attributed to both ''Brettanomyces'' yeast and lactic acid bacteria, and that ethanol and L-lysine played a role in its production, and this was confirmed by Heresztyn et al. in 1986 <ref name="Grbin_1996">[httphttps://iwrdbdigital.sonomalibrary.org/cgi-bindigital/collection/p15763coll33/id/34976/koharec/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=27016&shelfbrowse_itemnumber=19456 1 Developments in the sensory, chemical and microbiological basis of mousy taint in wine. Grbin, P.R, Costello, P.J, Herderich, M. 1996.]</ref>.

In 2007, the Australian team of Grbin et al. developed a complex and unique method of analyzing forms of THP using a Finnigan TSQ 70 mass spectrometer directly coupled to a Varian 3400 gas chromatograph. The chromatograph was equipped with a 30 m J&W Carbowax 20 CAM fused silica column, 0.25 mm i.d, and 0.25μm film thickness. They were able to confirm confirmed that higher lysine levels increased the amount of ATHP produced (but not ETHP), although with diminishing increases of THP as the lysine level was increased. They also discovered that L-ornithine also functioned as a precursor for THP production in ''Brettanomyces''. The group proposed a biochemical pathway for the different forms of THP in ''Brettanomyces'' <ref name="Grbin_2007" />.

==Detection Methods==In 2007, Grbin et al. developed a complex and unique method of analyzing forms of THP using a Finnigan TSQ 70 mass spectrometer directly coupled to a Varian 3400 gas chromatograph. The chromatograph was equipped with a 30 m J&W Carbowax 20 CAM fused silica column, 0.25 mm i.d, and 0.25 μm film thickness <ref name="Grbin_2007" />. More recently, Hayasaka (2018) developed a reliable and rapid but pricey method to detect THP in wine using specialized HPLC-APCI-MS/MS equipment <ref>[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021967318315668?via%3Dihub Quantitative analysis of mousy off-flavour compound 2-acetyl tetrahydropyridine in wine using liquid chromatography tandem mass spectrometry interfaced with atmospheric chemical ionisation. Y.Hayasaka. 2018. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chroma.2018.12.047.]</ref>. Due to the specialized GC/MS equipment needed for measuring forms of THP that most labs do not have, certain answers will be difficult other human sensory-based methods have been developed in the winemaking world. Originally, a "palm & sniff" method was developed to detect THP where a small amount of wine is rubbed on the palm which increases the pH of the wine and then immediately sniffed to obtaindetect THP. Some Since then, some studies have used alkaline strips as a way to smell the aroma of THP, and while not as precise as the specialized GC/MS lab equipment, could still help further the understanding of THP. These strips were prepared in the following way: knowing Knowing that mousy off-flavour flavor has a lingering sensory impact, the technique of alkaline paper strip assessment was adapted from Heresztyn (1986a). Paper strips (Whatman No. 1, 4–5 mm × 50 mm) were prepared by soaking in NaOH (0.1M) and drying overnight at room temperature. The alkaline paper strips were then briefly dipped into cell-free samples (centrifuged) and immediately assessed for the mouse-like odour odor by sniffing <ref>Private correspondence with Dr. Paul Grbin by Dan Pixley. 11/2/2017.</ref>. Tempère et al. (2019) developed what they suggest is a better way to test for mousy off-flavor in wine via oral sensory, specifically as a way to enable panelists who are not as sensitive to THP to detect it during sensory testing. They compared the alkaline strips method to a method where the wine's pH is increased by adding sodium bicarbonate to a pH of 5 and a pH of 7. This mild base is contained in human saliva. At a pH of 5, sensory panelists were more easily able to detect APY and to correctly order the intensity of APY in wine than when they used alkaline strips. For example, the range of detection level for all panelists went from a range of 15 - 300 µg/L to a range of 0.3 - 30 µg/L. At a pH of 7, panelists were not as easily able to detect the aroma of APY. Keep in mind that this test does not reflect the real world tasting of wine since the pH would never be raised during normal consumption, but it could be used by a sensory program as a way to more reliably detect smaller amounts of APY in wine <ref name="Tempère_2019">[https://oeno-one.eu/article/view/2350 Comparison between standardized sensory methods used to evaluate the mousy off-flavor in red wine. Tempère, S., Chatelet, B., de Revel, G., Dufoir, M., Denat, M., Ramonet, P.-Y., Marchand, S., Sadoudi, M., Richard, N., Lucas, P., Miot-Sertier, C., Claisse, O., Riquier, L., Perello, M.-C., & Ballestra, P. 2019. DOI: https://doi.org/10.20870/oeno-one.2019.53.2.2350.]</ref>.  Kiyomichi et al. (2023) developed a simple method to accurately detect ATHP, ETHP, and APY using gas chromatography-mass spectrometry with stir bar sorptive extraction (SBSE-GC–MS instrumentation). Thermal desorption and injection were performed using a Twister thermal desorption unit (TDU) and a Gerstel CIS 4 cooled injection system with a programmable temperature vaporization (PTV) inlet, installed on an Agilent 6890 gas chromatograph combined with an Agilent 5975 Mass Selective Detector (Agilent Technologies, Massy, France), equipped with a Gerstel MPS 2 autosampler (Gerstel, Mülheim an der Ruhr, Germany). An HP-5MS fused-silica capillary column (30 m × 0.25 mm, 0.25 µm, film thickness, SGE, Courtaboeuf, France) was used, with helium as carrier gas (Messer France S.A.S, Suresnes, France) at a constant pressure of 70 kPa, corresponding to an initial flow of 1.3 mL.min−1 <ref>[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308814623000705 Daiki Kiyomichi, Céline Franc, Pierre Moulis, Laurent Riquier, Patricia Ballestra, Stéphanie Marchand, Sophie Tempère, Gilles de Revel. Investigation into mousy off-flavor in wine using gas chromatography-mass spectrometry with stir bar sorptive extraction. Food Chemistry, Volume 411, 2023, 135454, ISSN 0308-8146, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.foodchem.2023.135454.]</ref>. See also [https://ives-technicalreviews.eu/article/view/7867 "Simultaneous assay of mousy off-flavor markers in wine," Ives Technical Review]. Other techniques for detected THP in food have been developed, which might be applicable to wine or beer. For example, Grimm et al. (2001) developed a technique for detecting 2-acetyl pyrroline (APY or 2AP) in rice. The rice samples had to be heated to 80-85°C in order to extract the volatile APY, and then APY levels in the headspace of the rice container could be detected using solid phase microextraction (SPME) with fibers that operate at the higher temperatures <ref>[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11170584 Screening for 2-acetyl-1-pyrroline in the headspace of rice using SPME/GC-MS. Grimm CC, Bergman C, Delgado JT, Bryant R. 2001.]</ref>. It isn't known if such methods would also work for measuring THP compounds in beer or wine, but they could provide a potential option for beer and wine researchers. Cider makers have used a baking soda in water solution to help detect THP. Dissolve a small amount of baking soda in water, swish the solution in your mouth for a few seconds, and then spit it out. While the pH of the saliva in your mouth is raised from the baking soda solution, taste the beer/wine/cider to more easily detect THP <ref>[https://groups.google.com/g/cider-workshop/c/a9JcCERQTYk?pli=1 "testing for mouse". Testing for Mouse. Retrieved 04/06/2021.]</ref>.  The effectiveness of these methods in beer has not been reported to our knowledge (please report any research or anecdotes in the [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/ MTF Facebook group]).

Other techniques for detected THP in food have been developed===University of Southern Maine Methods===Liesel Krout, Lucille Benedict, which might be applicable to wine or beer. For exampleMeg Hausman, Grimm et al. (2001) developed and Zach Bodah from University of Southern Maine and Allagash Brewing Company have begun developing a a technique for detecting 2-acetyl pyrroline (APY, or 2AP) in ricenew way to produce an ATHP flavor spike and detection method. The rice samples had to be heated to 80-85°C in order to extract the volatile APY, and then APY levels in the headspace of the rice container could be detected using solid phase microextraction (SPME) with fibers that operate at the higher temperatures <ref>See [https://wwwdigitalcommons.ncbiusm.nlmmaine.nih.govedu/pubmedcgi/11170584 Screening for 2-acetyl-1-pyrroline in viewcontent.cgi?article=1180&context=thinking_matters the headspace of rice using SPME/GC-MS. Grimm CC, Bergman C, Delgado JT, Bryant R. 2001.poster]</ref>for more details. It isn't known of such methods would also work for measuring THP comopunds This method is still in beer or wine, but they could provide an option for beer and wine researchersdevelopment.

ATHP/ACTPY (which has two forms: 2-acetyl-3,4,5,6-tetrahydropyridine and 2-acetyl-1,4,5,6-tetrahydropyridine(abbreviated: ATHP or ACTPY) has a much lower flavor threshold than ETHP (see [[Tetrahydropyridine#Thresholds_and_Quantities_Found_in_Mousy_Wine|Thresholds]]), and has been historically cited as the cause of mousy off-flavors detected in wine. In wine, its aroma cannot be detected due to the low pH of wine (it can be detected if the pH is raised), only the flavor. It is easier to detect in higher pH wines. ATHP is the form of THP that is the major contributor to the aroma of freshly baked bread, corn tortilla chips, and crackers. How different foods/wines/beers interact with ATHP on the palate may explain the different flavors that are detected by people, as well differing concentrations and peoples' ability to detect ATHP <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>. In food, ATHP has a slightly different form (6-Acetyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydropyridin). Its formation in food is due to cooking and thought to be associated with Maillard reactions. This form has a toasty flavor of crackers and popcorn, and its presence ages out disappears quickly in food and is considered extremely volatile due to its extreme volatility <ref name="Adams_2005" />.

ETHP/ETPY (2-ethyl tetrahydropyridine(abbreviated: ETHP or ETPY) was first identified in wine in 1973, but until recently further studies weren't able to confirm its presence in wine. Its odor threshold is quite high (see [[Tetrahydropyridine#Thresholds_and_Quantities_Found_in_Mousy_Wine|Thresholds]]), and so it was not considered a major source of mousy off-flavors in wine for some time. Consequently, research on ETHP has been limited. More recently, it was shown that Lactic Acid Bacteria (LAB) can produce above threshold levels of ETHP, making it recently important to wine researchers <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>.

It has been speculated by scientists studying mousy off-flavors in wine that its production is the result of slow metabolism of ATHP into ETHP by ''Brettanomyces''. ETHP was observed to form much slower than ATHP, and coincided with a decrease in ATHP. This slow production of ETHP may be another reason it has been underestimated by researchers until recently <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>. It is not known whether or not ETHP has not been shown to break down can degrade into another byproduct.

APY/ACPY (2-acetyl pyrroline(abbreviated: APY, ACPY, or AP) is a more volatile but more potent form of THP. It has a significantly stronger odor and lower odor threshold in wine than ATHP. It can also be found in damp pearl millet, white toasted bread, taco shells, tortilla chips, boiled potatoes, cooked sweet corn products, roasted sesame seeds, pan-fired green teas, cured tobacco leaves, peanut and pumpkin seed oils, honey, several soy-based products, and more aromatic rice such as Indian Basmati, as well as many other foods. APY has also been detected in a pale lager beer from Bavaria <ref>[https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01190873 Primary odorants of pale lager beer. Peter Schieberle. 1991.]</ref>. APY from microbial metabolism is primarily produced by heterofermentative LAB(see [[Tetrahydropyridine#Lactic_Acid_Bacteria|below]]). In food, APY formation is due to cooking and thought to be associated with Maillard reactions, and its presence ages out quickly in food . For example, Schieberle (1989) showed that heating up yeast and sucrose produced APY, simulating how APY could be produced during baking bread <ref><[https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/bk-1989-0409.ch025 Formation of 2-Acetyl-l-pyrroline and Other Important Flavor Compounds in Wheat Bread Crust. Peter Schieberle. 1989. DOI: 10.1021/bk-1989-0409.ch025.]</ref>. It is considered extremely volatile ; so much so that the food industry has created powdered forms of APY to increase the flavor stability of some foods associated with it. Some plants such as rice crops produce , Pandan leaves (''Pandanus amaryllifolius''), "bread flowers" (''Vallaris glabra''), Myabi muskmelon fruit, chempedak fruit and jackfruit contain varying levels of APY naturally <ref name="Snowdon"></ref><ref name="Grbin_1996" /><ref name="Adams_2005">[http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/cr040097y Chemistry of 2-Acetyl-1-pyrroline, 6-Acetyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydropyridine, 2-Acetyl-2-thiazoline, and 5-Acetyl-2,3-dihydro-4H-thiazine:  Extraordinary Maillard Flavor Compounds. An Adams andNorbert and Norbert De Kimpe. 2005.]</ref><ref>[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1672630823001105 Abiotic and Biotic Factors Controlling Grain Aroma along the Value Chain of Fragrant Rice: A Review. Ayut Kongpun, Tonapha Pusadee, Pennapa Jaksomsak, Kawiporn chinachanta, Patcharin Tuiwong, Phukjira Chan-In, Sawika Konsaeng, Wasu Pathom-Aree, Suchila Utasee, Benjamapohn Wangkaew, Chanakan Prom-U-Thai. Rice Science. 2023. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.rsci.2023.11.004.]</ref>.

There have been anecdotal reports of other forms of mousy off-flavors. During the growth of lactic acid bacteria (LAB), mousy off-flavor detection fluctuated with high levels detected early on, and lower levels detected towards the end of growth. This indicates that there may be a transient, strain-dependent form of THP that can occur during malolactic fermentation. There have also been a sensory detection of mousy off-flavors at different levels than the documented levels of ATHP, ETHP, and APY, which were not associated with LAB or ''Brettanomyces'' <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>.

Sulfur-containing versions of THP exist in many vegetables and processed meats and are important aspects of their aromas. These include 2-Acetyl-2-thiazoline (the sulfur containing version of APY) and 5-Acetyl-2,3-dihydro-4 H -1,4-thiazine (the sulfur containing version of 6ATHP). These are formed in meat during processing, for example in beef and chicken broths, roasted beef, etc. They are characterized as being similar to APY and ATHP, and have a "roasty", popcorn-like odor and low thresholds. These are chemically formed during cooking and food processing and are not associated with biological metabolism or fermentation <ref name="Adams_2005" />. ===Similar Compounds===A variety of pyridine and pyrazine derived compounds are formed in malt (and other foods) during the malting process as a result of Maillard reactions and have been found to be major contributors to the "malty" flavor of beer. Examples of these compounds include 2-acetylpyridine, 3-acetylpyridine, methylpyrazine, forms of dimethylpyrazine, and trimethlpyrazine. These compounds have a range of flavor descriptors such as creamy, cardboard, grainy, and burnt sugar. For example, 2-acetylpyridine (2AP), also known as 1-pyridin-2-ylethanone, is described as having a malty-biscuity, corn-chip, corn tortilla, or popcorn flavor. These compounds (in particular 2AP) can easily be confused with forms of THP, but they are not the same as the varieties of THP explained above <ref name="Adams_2005" /><ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-Acetylpyridine 2-Acetylpyridine. Wikipedia. Retrieved 09/04/2018.]</ref><ref>[http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1012221.html 1-pyridin-2-ylethanone. The Good Scents Company website. Retrieved 09/04/2018.]</ref><ref>[https://www.aroxa.com/beer/beer-flavour-standard/2-acetyl-pyridine/ 2-acetyl pyridine. Aroxa website. Retrieved 09/04/2018.]</ref><ref>[https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/jsfa.2740280218 Basic compounds contributing to beer flavour. Richard J. Harding, Harry E. Nursten, John J. Wren. 1977. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1002/jsfa.2740280218].</ref>. One indicator that a particular flavor might be THP instead of one of these malt-derived flavors is that THP is mostly detected on the aftertaste after swallowing, whereas these compounds are often detected during the swallow (although they can sometimes also be detected during the aftertaste). See also:* [https://www.morebeer.com/articles/malt_flavors "Flavors From Malt" by Scott Bickham on MoreBeer.com.]* [https://beersensoryscience.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/corn/ "A pretty corny post" on the "Beer Sensory Science" blog (explains how 2AP could also be confused with DMS).]

It is thought that THP in mousy wines/beers is mostly produced by microorganisms. All species of ''[[Brettanomyces]] '' can produce forms of tetrahydropyridine in varying amounts, although some below threshold. Additionally, Lactic Acid Bacteria (LAB) including ''[[Lactobacillus]] '' and ''[[Pediococcus]] '' can produce forms of THP. Acetic Acid Bactera (AAB) has also been demonstrated to produce forms of THP <ref name="Snowdon"></ref><ref name="Grbin_2000" />. Moulis et al. (2023) studied THP production by 22 strains of ''Brettanomyces bruxellensis'', 20 strains of ''Oenococcus oeni'' and 10 strains of ''Lentilactobacillus hilgardii'' (formerly classified as ''Lactobacillus hilgardii''), all of which have been reported to produce THP compounds. They found that all strains could produce ATHP, but not all strains could produce ETHP or APY. This variability was determined mostly by species, but also by strain. for example, all of the 22 ''B. bruxellensis'' strains only produced ATHP and ETHP and not APY. Variability between strains was less pronounced for the species ''L. hilgardii'' compared to the ''B. bruxellensis'' and ''O. oeni'' strains (different strains of ''B. bruxellensis'', for example, produced much different levels of ATHP/ETHP, where as every strain of ''L. hilgardii'' produced relatively the same amount of APY). The researchers also noted that repeatability of THP levels was difficult to achieve, and they owed this to unknown variables such as the physiological state of the cells at time of inoculation into the test media. Interestingly, there was no correlation between strain genealogy and how much THP they produced. The researchers also isolated other species from 25 French wines with mouse taint, including ''S. cerevisiae'', ''Pichia manshurica'', ''Priceomyces carsonii'', ''Pediococcus parvulus'', but none of these strains produced THP in the test growth media <ref name="Moulis_2023" />.

===''Brettanomyces''===

Although the exact pathway is not known for ''Brettanomyces'' (several are proposed), the conditions for THP production are well documented. ATHP is produced by metabolizing the amino acid L-lysine or D-lysine <ref name="Grbin_2007" />, along with ethanol and a glucose or fructose molecule. Iron is also needed for THP production, although its exact role in biosynthesis is not known <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>. As with other amino acids, lysine is taken up by ''Saccharomyces'' during fermentation and then released after fermentation. Levels of lysine fluctuate slightly throughout fermentation but are generally high throughout a beer's lifetime (including after fermentation) <ref>[http://link.springer.com/article/10.1385/CBB:46:1:43 The α-aminoadipate pathway for lysine biosynthesis in fungi. Hengyu Xu, Babak Andi, Jinghua Qian, Ann H. West , Paul F. Cook. Sept 2006.]</ref><ref>[http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/bi9829940 Lysine Biosynthesis in Saccharomyces cerevisiae:  Mechanism of α-Aminoadipate Reductase (Lys2) Involves Posttranslational Phosphopantetheinylation by Lys5. David E. Ehmann , Amy M. Gehring , and Christopher T. Walsh. 1999.]</ref><ref>[http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2050-0416.2007.tb00249.x/abstract Elucidation of the Role of Nitrogenous Wort Components in Yeast Fermentation. C. Lekkas, G.G. Stewart, A.E. Hill, B. Taidi and J. Hodgson. May 2012.]</ref><ref>[http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0308814699000710 Proteins and amino acids in beers, their contents and relationships with other analytical data. S. Gorinstein, M. Zemsera, F. Vargas-Albores, J-L. Ochoa, O. Paredes-Lopez, Ch. Scheler, J. Salnikow, O. Martin-Belloso, S. Trakhtenberg. 1999.]</ref>. Wheat generally has a slightly lower amount of lysine than barley, and oats have a slightly higher amount of lysine than barley <ref>[http://www.aaccnet.org/publications/cc/backissues/1983/Documents/chem60_461.pdf Amino Acid Composition of Six Grains and Winter Wheat Forage. Morey, D.D. 1983.]</ref><ref>[https://diy.soylent.com/ingredients/oats "Oats". DIY Soylent website. Retrieved 02/07/2017.]</ref><ref>[https://diy.soylent.com/ingredients/barley-malt-flour "Barley malt flour". DIY Soylent website. Retrieved 02/07/2017.]</ref><ref>[https://diy.soylent.com/ingredients/wheat-flour-wholegrain "Wheat flour, whole-grain". DIY Soylent website. Retrieved 02/07/2017.]</ref>. In red wine, yeast autolysis releases many amino acids including lysine (aging beer <ref>[https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf9803381 Changes in the Amino Acid Composition of the Different Nitrogenous Fractions during the Aging of Wine with Yeasts. Victoria Moreno-Arribas, Encarnación Pueyo, M. Carmen Polo, and Pedro J. Martín-Álvarez. 1998. DOI: 10.1021/jf9803381.]</ref><ref>[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12483471 Influence of the yeast strain on trub the changes of the amino acids, peptides and its effects on THP proteins during sparkling wine production has not been studiedby the traditional method. Martínez-Rodríguez AJ, Carrascosa AV, Martín-Alvarez PJ, Moreno-Arribas V, but it might be a factor in beer as well) Polo MC. 2002. DOI: 10.1038/sj.jim.7000323.]</ref><ref>[http://oeno-one.eu/article/view/974 New trends on yeast autolysis and wine ageing on lees: a bibliographic review. Caroline Fornairon-Bonnefond, Carole Camarasa, Michel Moutounet, Jean-Michel Salmon. 2002.]</ref>. Aging beer on trub and its effects on THP production has not been studied, but it might not be a factor in beer since lysine levels are high in beer regardless of yeast autolysis <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2054994917862045/?comment_id=2055489394479264&reply_comment_id=2055715194456684&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D Richard Preiss. Milk The Funk Facebook group thread on on yeast autolysis impact on THP. 04/10/2018.]</ref>.

Oxygen plays a key role and has a stimulatory effect in ATHP and ETHP production (particularly ATHP), but its exact role is not understood. It has been speculated that since ATHP production is associated with ''Brettanomyces'' growth, and ''Brettanomyces'' grows better under aerobic conditions, that this is why more ATHP is produced under aerobic conditions <ref>[http://www.brettanomycesproject.com/dissertation/introduction/ Yakobson, Chad. The Brettanomyces Project; Introduction. Retrieved 3/10/2015.]</ref><ref name="Grbin_2007">[http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf071243e The Role of Lysine Amino Nitrogen in the Biosynthesis of Mousy Off-Flavor Compounds by Dekkera anomala. Paul R. Grbin, Markus Herderich, Andrew Markides, Terry H. Lee, and Paul A. Henschke. J. Agric. Food Chem., 2007.]</ref><ref name="Oelofse">[http://scholar.sun.ac.za/handle/10019.1/8437 Significance of Brettanomyces and Dekkera during Winemaking: A Synoptic Review. A. Oelofse, I.S. Pretorius, and M. du Toit. 2008.]</ref>. It has also been hypothesized that oxygen may have a direct effect on the THP molecules themselves <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>. ATHP production was also shown to increase when anaerobically precultured cells were transferred to an aerobic environment, indicating that oxygen has a direct role on the production of ATHP, not just a byproduct of ''Brettanomyces'' growth <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>. Limiting oxygen exposure during kegging/force carbonating is recommended for helping to reduce ATHP production; even very small amounts can have an effect (although the exact threshold of how much oxygen is required has not been determined). For example, the purity of the CO² supply should thus be taken into consideration when force carbonating. At 0.5% impurity (the impurity is air, 1/5 of which is oxygen) and at 2 volumes of CO², ~1,420 ppb of O² would be added to the packaged beer, which is an exceedingly high amount of oxygen. The CO² supply should ideally be 99.990% pure or better (this would introduce 46 ppb of oxygen at 2 volumes of CO²). The method that the CO² is added can also determine how much oxygen is introduced into the packaged beer. Sparging CO² (bubbling it through the beer) dissolves significantly less oxygen due to Henry's Law (see reference), while injecting (flushing) dissolves significantly more oxygen <ref>[https://tapintohach.com/2014/01/27/how-the-purity-of-sparged-carbon-dioxide-affects-the-oxygen-concentration-of-beer/ How the Purity of Sparged Carbon Dioxide Affects the Oxygen Concentration of Beer. Tap Into Hach blog. 01/24/2014. Retrieved 06/29/2017.]</ref><ref>[https://tapintohach.com/2013/12/02/how-the-purity-of-injected-carbon-dioxide-affects-the-oxygen-concentration-of-beer/ How the Purity of Injected Carbon Dioxide Affects the Oxygen Concentration of Beer. Tap Into Hach blog. 12/02/2013. Retrieved 06/29/2017.]</ref>. Vessel purging methods with CO² are also less efficient than some might expect, and might still leave enough oxygen behind to stimulate THP production (see [http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showpost.php?p=8004741&postcount=3 this HomebrewTalk thread]). Pitching fresh ''Saccharomyces'' at bottling/kegging time and naturally carbonating the beer with sugar has reportedly reduced mousy off-flavor detection, perhaps because ''Saccharomyces'' metabolizes both the oxygen and sugar faster than ''Brettanomyces''. Different strains of ''S. cerevisiae'' might be more efficient than others at helping reduce THP. For example, Mitch Ermatinger from Speciation Artisan Ales anecdotally observed that switching from CBC1 conditioning yeast to EC1118 reduced THP off-flavors from 1 month to two weeks <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1839193092775563/?comment_id=1839266972768175&reply_comment_id=1839402709421268&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R7%22%7D Mitch Ermatinger. Milk The Funk Facebook group post on THP reduction using CBC1 and EC1118. 10/03/2017.]</ref> (see [[Packaging#Re-yeasting|Packaging]] for details on re-yeasting at packaging time). Justin Amaral and Mike Karnowski reported an anecdote that purging bottles with CO² reduced THP levels, although limiting oxygen in the bottle also had some negative effects on some conditioning yeast strains <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1917477671613771/?comment_id=1917629674931904&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D Justin Amaral and Mike Karnowski on purging bottles with CO2. Milk The Funk Facebook group. 12/13/2017.]</ref>.

Although ''Brettanomyces'' is capable of producing APY from L-ornithine <ref name="Grbin_2007" />, the amount produced is much less than that of LAB and high amounts of L-ornithine are required. In wine, there isn't enough L-ornithine present to production significant amounts of APY from L-ornithine. Therefore, the presence of APY (which is much easier to detect aromatically than ATHP) indicates a bacterial contamination in wine (it is unknown if this applies to beer) <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>. Additionally, Moulis et al. (2023) found that out of 25 French wines with THP, only 20% of them had ''B. bruxellensis'' in them, indicating that THP is mostly produced by bacteria or chemically in wine <ref name="Moulis_2023" />.

The presence of the "mousy off-flavor" caused by forms of THP appears to be temporary in beer. Although not much is known about the degradation or metabolic breakdown of ATHP/ETHP, it tends to age out of beer after 2-6 months. Since the odor/taste threshold for ETHP is much higher than ATHP, and ATHP appears to be metabolized into ETHP by ''Brettanomyces'' over time, this may be one of the mechanisms by which the mousy off-flavor ages out of beer. The possibility of ETHP breakdown is not mentioned in any studies that we know of, although Moulis et al. (2023) reported that for organisms that produced ETHP, there was always a 1:10 ratio between ETHP/ATHP or ETHP/APY, suggesting that this ratio might be governed by the chemistry of the media used and/or the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduction_potential reduction potential] <ref name="Moulis_2023" />. Another unknown is why does ''Brettanomyces'' produce ATHP shortly after kegging and force carbonating a beer that has reached final gravity. The most likely cause is oxygen pick up during the kegging process. Pitching fresh ''Saccharomyces'' at bottling/kegging time and naturally carbonating the beer with sugar has reportedly reduced mousy off-flavor detection, perhaps because ''Saccharomyces'' metabolizes both the oxygen and sugar faster than ''Brettanomyces''.

Heterofermentative [[Lactobacillus]] spp., particularly ''L. hilgardii'' (reclassified as ''Lentilactobacillus hilgardii'') and ''L. brevis''(reclassified as ''Levilactobacillus brevis''), as well as ''Leuconostoc oeni'' <ref name="Grbin_1996" />, can also produce high levels of ATHP , and to a lesser extent APY and ETHP from L-lysine/L-ornithine, ethanol (must be present), and iron. Although many strains of heterofermentative lactic acid bacteria can produce THP, not all do. For example, Costello et al (2008) found that all strains tested of ''L. brevis'' (3 strains tested), ''L. bucherni'' (3 strains tested), and ''L.hilgardii'' (8 strains tested) produced THP, several heterofermentative species did not produce any detectable levels of THP in a grape-based media (one strain each of ''L. fermentum'' and ''L. cellobiosus''). Some strains within a species produce high amounts while others produce low amounts, for example Costell et al. (2008) found that some strains of ''O. oeni'' produced very high amounts between 50-150 µg/L while others produced very little between 5-20 µg/L in a grape-based media <ref name="Costello_2008">[http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-0238.2001.tb00205.x/abstract Ability of lactic acid bacteria to produce N-heterocycles causing mousy off-flavour in wine. PETER J. COSTELLO1, TERRY H. LEE1, and PAULA. HENSCHKE. 2008.]</ref>. A strain of ''L. plantarum'' (L11a) was shown to produce relatively low amounts. L-lysine stimulates production of ATHP, and L-ornithine stimulates the production of APY <ref name="Costello">[http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf020341r Mousy Off-Flavor of Wine:  Precursors and Biosynthesis of the Causative N-Heterocycles 2-Ethyltetrahydropyridine, 2-Acetyltetrahydropyridine, and 2-Acetyl-1-pyrroline by Lactobacillus hilgardii DSM 20176. Peter J. Costello and Paul A. Henschke. 2002.]</ref><ref>[http://www.ajevonline.org/content/37/2/127.abstract Formation of Substituted Tetrahydropyridines by Species of Brettanomyces and Lactobacillus Isolated from Mousy Wines. Tamila Heresztyn. 1986.]</ref><ref>[http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111name="Costello_2008" /j.1755-0238.2001.tb00205.x/abstract Ability of lactic acid bacteria to produce N-heterocycles causing mousy off-flavour in wine. PETER J. COSTELLO1, TERRY H. LEE1, and PAULA. HENSCHKE. 2008.]</ref><ref>Sparrows, Jeff. ''Wild Brews''. Brewers Publications. 2005. Pg. 112.</ref><ref>[https://books.google.com/books?id=tFjsAuo5WocC&pg=PA348&lpg=PA348&dq=lactobacillus+Tetrahydropyridine&source=bl&ots=QUVyoFtIwK&sig=h1cdjB0r1pIRX2Bms8wVA0UiLk4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4DX_VPz5CsH6oQSAzoGgBA&ved=0CEwQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=lactobacillus%20Tetrahydropyridine&f=false Lahtinen, Ouwehand, Salminen, von Wright. Lactic Acid Bacteria: Microbiological and Functional Aspects, Fourth Edition. Pg 348.]</ref><ref>[http://ajevonline.org/content/37/2/127.short Heresztyn, Tamila. Formation of Substituted Tetrahydropyridines by Species of Brettanomyces and Lactobacillus Isolated from Mousy Wines.]</ref>. Acetaldehyde has a stimulatory effect on ATHP and APY production, but is not required. No studies have been done to show whether or not oxygen plays a role in ATHP/APY production in LAB <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>. Most species of [[Pediococcus]] do not create forms of THP, although a few species do produce relatively small amounts. In particular, these include ''P. pentosaceus'' <ref>[http://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/Q03HT0 UniProt article. Retrieved 3/10/2015.]</ref><ref>[http://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/U5ZF76 UniProt article. Retrieved 3/10/2015.]</ref>, and ''P. clausenii'' <ref>[http://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/G8PEU4 UniProt article. Retrieved 3/10/2015.]</ref> (note that commercial cultures , although one study found no THP in two strains of ''P. pentocaseus'' and only transient/occasional THP production in one out of five strains of [[Pediococcus]] are normally ''P. damnosusparvulus'')<ref name="Costello" />. ''Oenococcus oeni'' and ''Leuconostoc mesenteroides'' have also been associated with creating ATHP, APY, and ETHP all above threshold amounts. Since only heterofermentative species produce significant amounts of THP, it is thought that its production is linked to the heterolactic pathway, and thus the metabolism of sugars in LAB <ref name="Costello"></ref>. A pathway for APY and ATHP production in ''Lactobacillus hilgardii'' was proposed by Costello and Henschke, which involves the intake of lysine or ornithine, along with ethanol (which is broken down into acetaldehyde) to produce APY and ATHP <ref name="Costello" />. ''Lactobacillus pontis'' has been shown to break down proteins via proteolysis, yielding free amino acids such as ornithine which could serve as precursors to THP formation, and it might be [[Lactobacillus#Foam_Degradation|reasonable to presume]] that other species of ''Lactobacillus'' could also free up ornithine as a precursor to THP <ref name="Adams_2005" />.

Although research is limited, acetic acid bacteria (''Gluconobacter'' sp. and many strains of ''Acetobacter aceti'') have been shown to produce forms of THP <ref name="Snowdon"></ref>. Mediterranean dried sauses covered in [[Mold|mould]] have been characterized as having APY as a flavor contributor. The source of the APY was identified with a mould that grows on the surface called ''Peniciilium nalgiovense'' <ref name="Adams_2005" />. Moulis et al. (2023) identified several strains of acetic acid bacteria in 32% of selected French wines with mouse taint, but none of the strains produced THP when tested individually in model medium <ref name="Moulis_2023" />. ===Maillard Reactions===It's been shown that various THP compounds can be produced from heat reactions. For example, heating proline with monosaccharides produces a small amount of APY, as does the heating of yeast and sucrose. Phosphate ions are high contributors to THP production via heat reactions, with the amino acids proline, ornithine, and citrulline being precursors (the first two of which are important amino acids in yeast), and 1-pyrroline being the intermediary step. Ornithine is the precursor to heat produced ATHP in bread making <ref>[https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01197621 The role of free amino acids present in yeast as precursors of the odorants 2-acetyl-1-pyrroline and 2-acetyltetrahydropyridine in wheat bread crust. Peter Schieberle. 1990.]</ref><ref name="Adams_2005" />. These reactions mostly occur at a relatively basic pH (7-9) <ref>[https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/jf970990g 2-Oxopropanal, Hydroxy-2-propanone, and 1-PyrrolineImportant Intermediates in the Generation of the Roast-Smelling Food Flavor Compounds 2-Acetyl-1-pyrroline and 2-Acetyltetrahydropyridine. Thomas Hofmann, and Peter Schieberle. 1998. DOI: 10.1021/jf970990g.]</ref>. ===Oxygen Reactions===(In Progress) Grbin (1996) reported that some wines express mousy taint after oxidation <ref name="Grbin_1996" />, however, ATHP in food has been identified as being very volatile in the presence of oxygen <ref>[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1021949815000277?via%3Dihub Reactivity and stability of selected flavor compounds. Monthana Weerawatanakorn, Jia-Ching Wu, Min-Hsiung Pan, Chi-Tang Ho. 2015. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jfda.2015.02.001.]</ref><ref name="Tempère_2019" />. Shilpi Halemane from Logsdon Farmhouse Ales anecdotally reported getting THP in bottles that were not purged properly on their bottling line, and this was detected at the end of the day on the same day <ref>"Wild Beer Curling: Course Correcting and Guiding Your Beer to Success". HomebrewCon Seminar. 2018.</ref> (~14:50 mins in). [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2374642255897308/ Lars Meiner reported THP development after heat pasteurizing a batch of homebrew]. https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2381638895197644/?comment_id=2383092551718945&reply_comment_id=2383635071664693&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2053443891350481/?comment_id=2053628131332057&reply_comment_id=2054035171291353&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22508009/ ===THP in Kettle Souring===THP or THP-like flavors have been reported in the kettle souring process in commercial brewing. This could be caused by using a heterofermentative species of ''Lactobacillus'' that is able to produce THP, but it has also been reported when an extended second boil was performed. Alex Wright reported that At Halo Brewery brewmaster Callum Hay was able to remove a THP-like flavor from their kettle sours by eliminating the boil time during the pasteurization step of kettle souring (the second boil) and displacing the trub at the bottom of the kettle. It was hypothesized that the boiling and perhaps the trub at the bottom of the kettle that built up after a 24 hour souring process was being heated by their direct fire system, causing Maillard reactions that resulted in pyradines. By scrapping the trub off of the bottom of the boil kettle, and replacing the second boil with a 75°C (167°F) 10 minute rest/whirlpool, they were able to remove this flavor <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2381638895197644/?comment_id=2383092551718945&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D Alex Wright. Milk The Funk Facebook group thread on THP in kettle sours. 11/24/2018.]</ref>. However, Alan Simons (and possibly others) contradict this by reporting no THP-like flavors when doing an extended second boil after kettle souring <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2381638895197644/?comment_id=2383092551718945&reply_comment_id=2383152158379651&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R6%22%7D Alan Simons. Milk The Funk Facebook group thread on THP in kettle sours. 11/24/2018.]</ref>. Josh Kauffman reported that by switching from a 60 minute post-boil (after souring the wort with ''Lactobacillus'') to a 15-20 minute pasteurization rest at 180°F reduced the THP-like flavors in their kettle soured beer <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2425689770792556/ Josh Kauffman. Milk The Funk Facebook group thread about THP in kettle sours. 12/18/2018.]</ref>. [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2436338106394389/ Several other brewers in MTF] have also reported reducing THP-like flavors by shortening the second boil. There are no controlled experiments that we know of that confirm any of these reports. Whether or not THP compounds could be created in beer via Maillard reactions has not been proven, and is unlikely. Richard Preiss offered another hypothesis that perhaps the turbulence and heat of boiling inflicts more lysed (destroyed) cells, which release THP into the beer, and that perhaps pasteurization at a lower temperature kills the cells but does not destroy their cell walls <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2436338106394389/?comment_id=2436394306388769&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D Kristen England and Matt Humbard. Milk The Funk Facebook group thread on THP compounds being formed in kettle sours via Maillard reactions. 12/28/2018.]</ref><ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2436338106394389/?comment_id=2444991628862370&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D Richard Preiss. Milk The Funk Facebook group thread on THP in kettle sours. 01/03/2019.]</ref>.

Since a low pH hinders the detection of THP, one detection used by wine makers winemakers is to rub some wine on one's palm and smelling for THP. A more reliable method is to dip an alkaline paper strip into the wine, and then smelling the strip to detect the aroma of THP <ref name="Grbin_1996" />. ==Off Flavor Kits==* [https://www.flavoractiv.com/store/usd/grid/#mousy FlavorActIV's "Mousy" flavor for wine (ATHP).] <ref>[https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2446133148748218/?comment_id=2446182895409910&reply_comment_id=2446243925403807&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R1%22%7D Richard Preiss. Milk The Funk Facebook group thread on THP spikes. 01/03/2018.]</ref>* [https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/134759?lang=en&region=US 1,2,3,6-Tetrahydropyridine on Sigma-Aldrich.]

# Does [[Aging_and_Storage#Bottle_Orientation|bottle orientation]] during storage have an effect? (Jeff Porn and Shawn Savuto both reported THP only when storing bottles horizintally; see [[Aging_and_Storage#Bottle_Orientation|Bottle Orientation]]).

* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1766965029998370/ Joe Idnoni from House Cat Brewing and Brian Ogden from Attaboy Beer report that Caseinate de Potassium (a fining agent used in wine-making) was used to significantly reduce THP off-flavors in a kettle sour beer.] Note that casein is a milk allergen, and might require declaration as a milk allergen (refer to your local government requirements) <ref>[https://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm456836.htm "UPDATED - Allergy Alert on Undeclared Milk in Nutrition Resource Services, Inc.'s Whey, Casein, and Colostrum Protein Products". FDA website. 08/03/2015. Retrieved 12/21/2017.]</ref>.

* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1967129246648613/ Milk The Funk thread on THP flavor spikes and other sensory testing approaches.]* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2015071285187742/ Milk The Funk thread on anecdotal experiences of THP forming in beer lines.]* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/posts/7626497387378409/ Milk The Funk thread reporting an anecdote by Henrik Ventzel that adding some DME and fresh Nottingham yeast to a sour with THP and cleared up THP after 2 months.] * [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1034461653248715/ General Milk The Funk Thread on March 10, 2015.]* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1134644959897050/ General Milk The Funk Thread on Aug 25, 2015.]* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/1149568535071359/ General Milk The Funk Thread on 09/17/2015.]* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/2934892606538934/ MTF thread on THP in natural wine, and increased awareness of THP in wine. as a result.]* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/MilkTheFunk/permalink/4042481855779998/ MTF thread on removing THP from wine made with low or no sulphite.]* [https://www.masterbrewerspodcast.com/237 MBAA Podcast 237: David Fuhrer on bottle conditioning using the German speise method (similar to krausening) reduces THP.]